Saturday, 2010-01-02

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[2010/01/02 01:28:00] @ jamesturnbull set topic "Puppet 0.25.2rc3 released - http://bit.ly/79hZ3u | Log bugs and feature requests at http://tinyurl.com/46ryk7"
[2010/01/02 01:28:28] @ jamesturnbull set topic "Puppet 0.25.2rc3 released - http://bit.ly/79hZ3u - please test | Log bugs and feature requests at http://tinyurl.com/46ryk7"
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[2010/01/02 01:44:29] <gepetto_> ::trac:: Exported Resources edited @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/ExportedResources?version=9
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[2010/01/02 02:09:24] <Cope> moin
[2010/01/02 02:10:01] <Cope> OK... so I've been using puppet for 3 yers.... but this *still* confuses me:
[2010/01/02 02:10:39] <Cope> why (the fuck) does puppet bitch out about Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: hostname not match with the server certificate
[2010/01/02 02:10:53] <Cope> I have a new machine, called 'stilton'
[2010/01/02 02:11:36] <Cope> I've installed puppet on it, added a basic manifest, and run, on the same machine, puppetd --test --server=stilton.atalanta-systems.com
[2010/01/02 02:11:46] <Cope> then signed the cert
[2010/01/02 02:11:51] <Cope> and run puppet again
[2010/01/02 02:12:03] <Cope> with same arguemtns
[2010/01/02 02:12:26] <Cope> I've seen this dozens of times, and end up calling the puppet server 'puppet'
[2010/01/02 02:12:40] <Cope> wtf am i missing after all this time?
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[2010/01/02 02:43:58] <delewis> JRuby and puppet don't mix well do they?
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[2010/01/02 03:52:14] <jamesturnbull> gepetto_: seen happyplaskin
[2010/01/02 03:52:17] <gepetto_> jamesturnbull: nope!
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[2010/01/02 04:01:16] <Ned_> I'm running a client, and it just doesn't appear to be making a cert request (so it's never showing up in puppetca -l)
[2010/01/02 04:01:28] <Ned_> the client says this 3 times:
[2010/01/02 04:01:29] <Ned_> warning: peer certificate won't be verified in this SSL session
[2010/01/02 04:01:32] <Ned_> and that's all :-(
[2010/01/02 04:01:35] <Ned_> anyone have any ideas ?
[2010/01/02 04:01:59] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: have you run with --trace --debug?
[2010/01/02 04:03:38] <Ned_> ahhh, only with --debug
[2010/01/02 04:03:41] <Ned_> I'll try with trace now
[2010/01/02 04:04:21] <Ned_> jamesturnbull: http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/93cac4.txt
[2010/01/02 04:04:29] <Ned_> same thing
[2010/01/02 04:04:29] <Ned_> :-(
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[2010/01/02 04:09:34] <Ned_> jamesturnbull: any ideas ?
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[2010/01/02 04:20:40] <Ned_> does it matter the cliet is 0.25.1 and the server is 0.24.8 ?
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[2010/01/02 04:36:06] <Ned_> jamesturnbull: http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/Bug-558815-puppet-certificate-sign-squeeze-puppet-Lenny-pupp--ftopict510571.html <-- that looks like my issue
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[2010/01/02 04:43:54] <Ned_> Hmmm, syntax change
[2010/01/02 04:43:59] <Ned_> if I want to subscribe to more than one thing
[2010/01/02 04:44:02] <Ned_> how do I do that ?
[2010/01/02 04:44:10] <Ned_> subscribe => File[...], File[...] ?
[2010/01/02 04:44:36] <Ned_> Hmm ...
[2010/01/02 04:44:41] <Ned_> subscribe => [ File[...], File[...] ]
[2010/01/02 04:46:38] <Ned_> well, my server is now up to date, the cert still isn't appearing :-(
[2010/01/02 04:47:11] <Ned_> ah ha
[2010/01/02 04:47:12] <Ned_> bing
[2010/01/02 04:47:13] <Ned_> o
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[2010/01/02 04:56:41] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: ah sorry in Vietnam connection shaky - back now - did you solve your issue?
[2010/01/02 04:58:39] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: the latter on your syntax question - but like require => Class["squid", "xml", "jakarta"]
[2010/01/02 05:02:23] <Ned_> oh, cool
[2010/01/02 05:02:29] <Ned_> that's just like a shorthand for what I was doing
[2010/01/02 05:02:32] <Ned_> yeah, problem solved
[2010/01/02 05:02:38] <Ned_> I had an older master than client
[2010/01/02 05:02:45] <Ned_> that solved my issues
[2010/01/02 05:03:00] <Ned_> jamesturnbull: ^^
[2010/01/02 05:04:57] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: yeah saw that - suspected it was your problem - fine the other way around but not so muchmaster and client
[2010/01/02 05:05:37] <Ned_> :-)
[2010/01/02 05:06:07] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: and it takes about 10 minutes to type anything here too a the connection flakes every 10 seconds so would have come back sooner but :P
[2010/01/02 05:06:24] <Ned_> heh
[2010/01/02 05:06:25] <Ned_> fair enough
[2010/01/02 05:06:32] <Ned_> I managed to solve it anyway
[2010/01/02 05:06:36] <Ned_> with some help from google :p
[2010/01/02 05:07:26] <jamesturnbull> google is your friend :)
[2010/01/02 05:09:46] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: Kiwi? coming to LCA?
[2010/01/02 05:10:10] <Ned_> jamesturnbull: indeed
[2010/01/02 05:10:16] <Ned_> jamesturnbull: I live in Wellington ;-)
[2010/01/02 05:10:20] <Ned_> it'd be rude not to
[2010/01/02 05:10:42] <jamesturnbull> lol good - I'm scheduled to give a tutorial on Puppet there barring work being a biatch
[2010/01/02 05:10:54] <Ned_> :-)
[2010/01/02 05:11:06] <Ned_> mostly I "get" puppet ...
[2010/01/02 05:11:11] <Ned_> sometimes it eats my face
[2010/01/02 05:11:47] <jamesturnbull> I think it's the evolutionary nature of it - every now and again I go "oh blast I wish I could ..." and then realise that I actually can but had forgotten about the feature :)
[2010/01/02 05:12:58] <Ned_> heh
[2010/01/02 05:13:13] <Ned_> the master having to be >= the clients is a little annoying
[2010/01/02 05:13:18] <Ned_> it means I'm having to run backports
[2010/01/02 05:13:33] <Ned_> because I have a couple of clients that are running unstable or testing
[2010/01/02 05:13:37] <Ned_> (Debian)
[2010/01/02 05:14:43] <jamesturnbull> can't be avoided sadly
[2010/01/02 05:15:02] <jamesturnbull> we can make the master backward compat to deal with older client behaviour but not vice versa
[2010/01/02 05:15:28] <jamesturnbull> the approach also appeals to a lot of people with older clients who want to gradually upgrade - they do the master and then they cantake their time with the clients
[2010/01/02 05:15:45] <Ned_> yeah
[2010/01/02 05:15:46] <Ned_> I guess
[2010/01/02 05:17:47] <jamesturnbull> I guess anoyther way of looking at it is that the master is the brains and needs to be up to date - the issue is mostly because of the XMLRPC to REST stuff - when we've ripped the last of that out it won't be an issue anymore and you'll be able (assuming the API stays stable) to have varying levels of versions between master and client
[2010/01/02 05:18:01] <whack> you could always run multiple masters
[2010/01/02 05:18:08] <jamesturnbull> or at least that's the theory :)
[2010/01/02 05:19:27] <Ned_> :-)
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[2010/01/02 10:05:59] <bjaspan> It class foo::bar is defined in bar.pp and foo in foo.pp in the same module, and that module's init.pp contains "import *", why would puppetd report "Could not find class parent foo at /etc/puppet/modules/foo/manifests/bar.pp:47 on node <hostname>"?
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[2010/01/02 10:21:55] <ashp> every time i read a post from 'monty', the old mysql guy, i start daydreaming about full migrations away from mysql at work :D
[2010/01/02 10:22:16] <ashp> i wish postgresql could run a mysql emulation layer so i didn't have to touch any scripts or anything that does weird mysql stuff
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[2010/01/02 10:23:32] <Volcane> yeah he's turning out to be quite a fucking pain in the arse
[2010/01/02 10:23:54] <Volcane> fair enogh he probably has a point, but i doubt he's helping :)
[2010/01/02 10:24:20] <bjaspan> Volcane: Time for puppet q?
[2010/01/02 10:24:22] <bjaspan> If class foo::bar is defined in bar.pp and foo in foo.pp in the same module, and that module's init.pp contains "import *", why would puppetd report "Could not find class parent foo at /etc/puppet/modules/foo/manifests/bar.pp:47 on node <hostname>"?
[2010/01/02 10:25:07] <bjaspan> puppet 0.24.6 on ubuntu
[2010/01/02 10:25:25] <Volcane> i saw the q, it seems fine
[2010/01/02 10:25:29] <bjaspan> sorry, version # might be wrong
[2010/01/02 10:25:31] <Volcane> but really, just use it as designed
[2010/01/02 10:25:33] <Volcane> that does work :P
[2010/01/02 10:25:52] <Volcane> put foo in init.pp and odnt do any importing
[2010/01/02 10:26:14] * jamesturnbull says autoloading is ftw
[2010/01/02 10:26:19] <ashp> Volcane: it just seems if he cared so much about mysql he wouldn't have tried to deseperately sell it
[2010/01/02 10:26:37] <bjaspan> I started with puppet by putting classes in init.pp, but got tired of having 37 files all named "init.pp" in emacs.
[2010/01/02 10:26:59] <jamesturnbull> ashp: who can understand the Finns? Crazy all of them
[2010/01/02 10:27:00] <bjaspan> Anyway, the import approach works fine. In fact, when puppetd does its next catalog run 30 minutes later (nothing changed), everything works.
[2010/01/02 10:27:05] <ashp> jamesturnbull: :D
[2010/01/02 10:27:20] <Volcane> bjaspan: it does cos of subtle ordering issues with when and how it loads init.pp
[2010/01/02 10:27:22] <ashp> on monday i'm going to make some fancy graphs of puppet runs
[2010/01/02 10:27:28] <ashp> and print them on our giant plotter just for fun
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[2010/01/02 10:27:54] <ashp> it's about time it was used for something useful
[2010/01/02 10:28:08] <bjaspan> Volcane: So sometimes modules/foo/bar.pp is loaded before modules/foo/init.pp or something?
[2010/01/02 10:28:10] <ashp> we want to rework most of our configuration and rewrite a lot of stuff, and fix dependencies, so a nice big graph would be a good starting point :)
[2010/01/02 10:28:18] <jamesturnbull> ashp: try big posters of that american soldier going STFU - that's what ours is used for
[2010/01/02 10:28:33] <ashp> jamesturnbull: hahaha even better
[2010/01/02 10:28:41] <ashp> jamesturnbull: all ours get used for is so the cto can print out giant plans
[2010/01/02 10:29:39] <bjaspan> Volcane: And moving the parent class foo into init.pp fixes this? "import" must not have the semantics I expect, then. :-)
[2010/01/02 10:30:24] <Volcane> bjaspan: probably what you found is a small bug and worth logging as a bug, i suspect when it checks that the parent class already exist it doesnt then again trigger an autload cycle if it cant find it - only triggers them when other classes do an include or require
[2010/01/02 10:32:09] <Volcane> bjaspan: but yes, movig the parent to its right place solves it all and removes the need for imports
[2010/01/02 10:34:29] <bjaspan> Volcane: Hmm.. Okay. Thanks for the info. Gotta head out.
[2010/01/02 10:35:26] <jamesturnbull> bjaspan: what version?
[2010/01/02 10:35:43] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: think that's fixed somewhere - I know I've seen that bug
[2010/01/02 10:36:53] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: ah, he's on ancient ubuntu supplied version so no doubt it'll work if he just upgrades
[2010/01/02 10:37:22] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: lots of weirdness in those older versions
[2010/01/02 10:37:37] <Volcane> yeah
[2010/01/02 10:37:54] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: new testing and dev methodology has meant serious uplift and removal of a lot of weirdness :)
[2010/01/02 10:38:28] <jamesturnbull> well we'v added Markus ... so maybe that balances out... :P
[2010/01/02 10:38:45] <Volcane> heh
[2010/01/02 10:38:50] * jamesturnbull ducks
[2010/01/02 10:39:19] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: you good mate? have a good Christmas/NY/festive season thingy?
[2010/01/02 10:40:01] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: kind of shit, my backup policies are being tested to the extreme by all my toys breaking, otherwise not bad!
[2010/01/02 10:40:06] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: how was asia?
[2010/01/02 10:40:25] <bjaspan> jamesturnbull: master is 0.24.6, client is 0.24.4. Yes, old versions.
[2010/01/02 10:41:28] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: still in asia - got the damn flu though and having a quiet night in
[2010/01/02 10:41:54] <Volcane> ah right, sux
[2010/01/02 10:42:02] <Volcane> my NAS died, both drives fucked
[2010/01/02 10:42:08] <Volcane> and it seems the things SATA bus
[2010/01/02 10:42:17] <jamesturnbull> yeah ear infection and a sore throat and have to fly tomorrow which is annoying
[2010/01/02 10:42:23] <Volcane> thank god made a backup like 12 days before
[2010/01/02 10:42:28] <jamesturnbull> ouch
[2010/01/02 10:42:37] <Volcane> and my 24inch imac is also kaput
[2010/01/02 10:42:52] <Volcane> strangely seems to me like its SATA interface is also dead
[2010/01/02 10:43:11] <jamesturnbull> ah ha!
[2010/01/02 10:43:17] <jamesturnbull> SATAitis
[2010/01/02 10:43:24] <bjaspan> Volcane: FYI, I got the import "*" idea from the docs, Module Importing section of http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/ModuleOrganisation
[2010/01/02 10:43:39] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: be careful flying with that mate, i did it once and burst my ear drum on the flight ended up not being able to fly for a year and forced to move continents as i was stranded far from home
[2010/01/02 10:44:01] <jamesturnbull> yeah I know - think it's clearing
[2010/01/02 10:44:02] <Volcane> bjaspan: i think you're just being bitten by old bugs
[2010/01/02 10:44:08] <bjaspan> Volcane: Seems likely.
[2010/01/02 10:44:39] <bjaspan> Volcane: We'll look into upgrading. Can we upgrade puppetmasterd and puppetd independently, or do we need tod o both together?
[2010/01/02 10:45:32] <Volcane> bjaspan: master first
[2010/01/02 10:46:12] <jamesturnbull> bjaspan: 0.24.4 should work with a 0.25.x master but it might have some weirdness
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[2010/01/02 11:01:23] <kjetilho> monachus: please turn off public away messages
[2010/01/02 11:02:09] <Volcane> kjetilho: hehe he is trying to turn it off :)
[2010/01/02 11:02:18] <kjetilho> ok :)
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[2010/01/02 11:08:10] <Volcane> wee some bugs fixed in mcollective, next week i can start writing $clients deployer
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[2010/01/02 16:54:19] <gepetto_> ::trac:: Recipes/Amazon-EC2-Recipe edited @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/Recipes/Amazon-EC2-Recipe?version=3
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[2010/01/02 20:10:14] <jmeeuwen> crap this ending slash thing for directories is really biting me in the *ss
[2010/01/02 20:10:54] <|Mike|> i have no clue.
[2010/01/02 20:11:07] * Volcane luckily never added ending slashes to anything
[2010/01/02 20:13:14] <|Mike|> volcane is up this late...
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[2010/01/02 20:18:53] <jmeeuwen> Volcane, to me, it's common to use a trailing slash whenever i refer to a directory
[2010/01/02 20:19:08] <jmeeuwen> in scripts, documentation, and so also in puppet manifests and modules
[2010/01/02 20:19:33] <Volcane> |Mike|: yeah was putting together ec2 demo for mcollective, needed to finish it so i can shut it all down
[2010/01/02 20:20:08] <|Mike|> People actually use amazone clouds.. :o
[2010/01/02 20:20:20] <|Mike|> s/p$/o
[2010/01/02 20:20:27] <Volcane> heh, good for demos :P
[2010/01/02 20:20:31] <|Mike|> Ya
[2010/01/02 20:20:51] <|Mike|> We're using S3 here since November aswell.
[2010/01/02 20:21:08] <Volcane> u can start up 1 server - bootstrap it for the controller - then boot 10 or 100 nodes and play with mcollective, up and runing in no time at all just to see if u want to spend time setting it up
[2010/01/02 20:22:22] <|Mike|> We managed to set up 13 or 14 identical instances (low ones) within ~50 minutes with puppet
[2010/01/02 20:23:01] <|Mike|> asin, install a management instance and the rest goes from that :D
[2010/01/02 20:23:10] <Volcane> yeah
[2010/01/02 20:23:20] <Volcane> its pretty neat, dont have a use case to do real work with it just yet
[2010/01/02 20:23:31] <Volcane> but for testing parallel execution code like mine its awesome
[2010/01/02 20:23:35] <|Mike|> a wildcard in DNS is a must btw :p
[2010/01/02 20:23:50] <|Mike|> rendering images++
[2010/01/02 20:24:41] <Volcane> heh
[2010/01/02 20:24:51] <Volcane> its a fucking pain though
[2010/01/02 20:25:05] <Volcane> miss one little setting on your base ami and u loose a hour of your life
[2010/01/02 20:25:14] <|Mike|> as long as you spread it over a shitload of instances, it will be okay
[2010/01/02 20:25:25] <Volcane> how do you secure the master on ec2?
[2010/01/02 20:25:36] <|Mike|> by hiring it for 3 years :)
[2010/01/02 20:25:51] <Volcane> heh
[2010/01/02 20:26:29] <|Mike|> They won't remove your ami if you pay up for a significant amount of time.
[2010/01/02 20:26:33] <Volcane> hand signing certs or do you drive the boot/request csr/sign/boottrap jig with a script?
[2010/01/02 20:26:41] <|Mike|> crs yes.
[2010/01/02 20:27:37] <Volcane> thats my main problem with it, how to secure this stuff and orchastrate it
[2010/01/02 20:28:09] <Volcane> these images are pre-made and dont get any puppet stuff done to them
[2010/01/02 20:28:20] <Volcane> since they're public for anyone
[2010/01/02 20:28:55] <|Mike|> that's why Kumina (you know tim|imac ) made their own image :)
[2010/01/02 20:29:01] <|Mike|> puppet preinstalled :)
[2010/01/02 20:29:02] <jmeeuwen> pson... fun...
[2010/01/02 20:29:26] <Volcane> |Mike|: nods also custom image here, i cant imagine just using some random image found on the net for real use though
[2010/01/02 20:29:49] <Volcane> |Mike|: these i just based on the rightscale ones but if i wanted to do prod work i'm not sure I would want to just use theirs
[2010/01/02 20:30:03] <Volcane> "theirs" being pretty much any 3rd party provided one
[2010/01/02 20:30:19] <|Mike|> I can imagine!
[2010/01/02 20:31:06] <|Mike|> I need to have a chat with tim about this stuff, it's pretty non-public yet.
[2010/01/02 20:33:29] <jmeeuwen> hey, removing the last .sub() from the canonicalization helps
[2010/01/02 20:34:56] <Volcane> jmeeuwen: hasnt this been fixed already in the repo?
[2010/01/02 20:35:37] <jmeeuwen> Volcane, not in 0.25.x as far as i can tell, not in 0.25.2rc3 either
[2010/01/02 20:36:10] <Volcane> hmm, i am sure i recall a ticket
[2010/01/02 20:36:20] <jmeeuwen> 2675
[2010/01/02 20:36:34] <Volcane> #2675
[2010/01/02 20:36:35] <gepetto_> Volcane: #2675 is http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/show/2675 "Puppet - Bug #2675: ending slash in directory name gets stripped off - ReductiveLabs.com"
[2010/01/02 20:36:51] <Volcane> (being lazy, easiest way to get the url) :)
[2010/01/02 20:37:18] <Volcane> well then u should post on that ticket like now
[2010/01/02 20:37:23] <Volcane> before 0.25.2 is out the door
[2010/01/02 20:38:39] <jmeeuwen> what can i post? it seems acceptable to enforce everyone to have to remove all trailing slashes off of directory names, but me?
[2010/01/02 20:39:04] <Volcane> ah, that's the fix? remove it all? didnt read the whole ticket but assumed they'd make a / work
[2010/01/02 20:40:17] <jmeeuwen> a single slash, sure, but a trailing slash, not so sure
[2010/01/02 20:40:20] <Volcane> seems to me trailing / should work
[2010/01/02 20:40:29] <Volcane> based on the tickets text anyway
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[2010/01/02 20:44:31] <|Mike|> jmeeuwen: = vexocide ?
[2010/01/02 20:44:42] <jmeeuwen> |Mike|, sorry?
[2010/01/02 20:44:55] <|Mike|> Nevermind then :)
[2010/01/02 20:45:06] <|Mike|> Another dutch going by that name tho.
[2010/01/02 20:46:38] <jmeeuwen> is there another dutchman going by the name of jmeeuwen?
[2010/01/02 20:47:36] <jmeeuwen> or another dutchman going by the name of vexocide?
[2010/01/02 20:48:10] <|Mike|> combination of iet yes.
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[2010/01/02 21:26:53] <jamesturnbull> jmeeuwen: you sure this is still happening in rc3?
[2010/01/02 21:31:43] <jamesturnbull> jmeeuwen: can you please take mqr_ through your issues if you are (both) still aorund
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[2010/01/02 21:54:28] <mqr_> Joining the trailing slash discussion
[2010/01/02 21:57:01] <mqr_> So my understanding of # 2675 is that we wanted resources to match regardless of a trailing slash.
[2010/01/02 21:57:57] <mqr_> So you could write "file { "/foo/" ...}" and later refer to "File[/foo]" and you'd be talking about the same thing.
[2010/01/02 21:58:20] <mqr_> Is this not working for you (aimed at Marc, but really anyone)?
[2010/01/02 21:59:30] <jamesturnbull> mqr_: jmeeuwen
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[2010/01/02 21:59:38] <mqr_> Or I guess jmeeuwen, since it was you that opened the ticket.
[2010/01/02 21:59:55] <mqr_> jamesturnbull: jinx.
[2010/01/02 22:00:12] <mqr_> Do you do that down there?
[2010/01/02 22:00:53] <mqr_> Say "jinx" when two of you cross post basically the same info.
[2010/01/02 22:01:09] <jamesturnbull> mqr_: something like that
[2010/01/02 22:01:53] <Volcane> think he went to bed, 4am his time
[2010/01/02 22:02:00] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: tarnation
[2010/01/02 22:02:07] <Volcane> assuming he is still in nl
[2010/01/02 22:02:14] <jamesturnbull> only I say that though
[2010/01/02 22:02:49] <mqr_> "tarnation"? What in the blazes makes you think only you say that?
[2010/01/02 22:03:58] <jamesturnbull> well the only one in Australia
[2010/01/02 22:04:32] <jamesturnbull> and outside of Georgia
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[2010/01/02 22:06:04] * Volcane 's waiting for backups to start so he can tell if a config change worked sigh
[2010/01/02 22:06:59] <Volcane> get one chnce a month to make big cnofig changes on backup system
[2010/01/02 22:06:59] <Volcane> sux
[2010/01/02 22:10:08] <mqr_> We used to run ours at 3:30 AM, with the weekly roundup starting at 2:00 AM Sunday night.
[2010/01/02 22:10:27] <mqr_> Nice for network load, sucked to babysit.
[2010/01/02 22:10:54] <mqr_> I got very good at tertris and free cell.
[2010/01/02 22:10:58] <jamesturnbull> mqr_: ditto - previous of mine were post-batch processing which finishes at sme time between 4am and 6am
[2010/01/02 22:11:15] <jamesturnbull> minesweepe
[2010/01/02 22:11:16] <jamesturnbull> r
[2010/01/02 22:11:20] <Volcane> 3:35 here, i am just making it run multiple concurrent jobs for the first time else usually i dont care
[2010/01/02 22:11:27] <Volcane> first sunday is full backup night
[2010/01/02 22:11:48] <Volcane> if i change job settings it will full backup again so once a month or rotation goes titsup
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[2010/01/02 22:12:40] <mqr_> Yeah, process improvement like that pays off though.
[2010/01/02 22:13:00] <Volcane> yeah, backups been chewing into 9am sunday morning, not great
[2010/01/02 22:13:09] <Volcane> hope to get it back down to 7:30ish
[2010/01/02 22:13:32] <Volcane> but bottleneck is more about b/w than anything else - am doing backups to a box in one country from 4 other countries
[2010/01/02 22:13:54] <Volcane> and adding .za in a serial manner screwed it all :)
[2010/01/02 22:14:02] <mqr_> Over the years at my old company we got things to the point where things were fast enough, and automatic enough, with fall backs and roll overs that it became a pain when you actually wanted to stop something.
[2010/01/02 22:15:41] <Volcane> crap. youtube videos can still only be 10 mins long? arse.
[2010/01/02 22:15:47] <Volcane> need somewhere new to pt screenies
[2010/01/02 22:16:18] <agaffney> I've seen them longer than 10 minutes
[2010/01/02 22:16:25] <agaffney> although, maybe I'm thinking of google video
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[2010/01/02 23:20:04] <rickbradley> ReinH: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rickbradley/4239444544/in/set-72157622393701396/ pass that along to lak ;-)
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