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| [2009/07/03 01:04:13] <nevyn> hrm | ||
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| [2009/07/03 01:16:44] <nevyn> andrewcshafer: about? | ||
| [2009/07/03 01:16:57] <andrewcshafer> I am | ||
| [2009/07/03 01:17:30] <andrewcshafer> nevyn: what's up? | ||
| [2009/07/03 01:17:52] <nevyn> new financial year ;) | ||
| [2009/07/03 01:18:43] <nevyn> so new budget ;) | ||
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| [2009/07/03 01:42:30] <jumentous> hi, how does puppet decide that a service is/isn't running, as it keeps trying to re-enable one that is already going | ||
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| [2009/07/03 01:54:22] <hMz> depends on the service in question | ||
| [2009/07/03 01:54:25] <hMz> and the platform its running on | ||
| [2009/07/03 01:54:33] <hMz> do you know what service provider its using? | ||
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| [2009/07/03 02:03:15] <jumentous> no i dont | ||
| [2009/07/03 02:03:46] <jumentous> how do i check | ||
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| [2009/07/03 04:18:36] <verwilst> Jul 3 10:17:26 puppet01 puppetmasterd[1687]: (//system::monitoring/File[/etc/snmp/snmpd.conf]) Failed to retrieve current state of resource: Connection Timeout Could not describe /system/snmpd.conf: Connection Timeout at /usr/share/puppet/env/stable/services/system/manifests/monitoring.pp:20 :( | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:18:39] <verwilst> grm | ||
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| [2009/07/03 04:18:57] <verwilst> puppet doesn't seem to scale particulary well, or is it me? :) | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:21:58] <Volcane> how many machines? what webserver? | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:23:00] <jamesturnbull> verwilst: scales fine with anything other than webrick as the documentation indicates | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:23:07] <jamesturnbull> verwilst: passenger and mongrel scale fine | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:23:39] <verwilst> jamesturnbull: im using apache and mongrel | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:23:51] <jamesturnbull> verwilst: version? number of machines? | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:24:07] <verwilst> jamesturnbull: 2.24.8 | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:24:11] <verwilst> 0.24.8 :) | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:24:52] <jamesturnbull> verwilst: number of hosts? | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:25:23] <verwilst> 853 according to my latest calculations | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:26:00] <jamesturnbull> verwilst: specs of master? | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:26:06] <Volcane> so thats scaled pretty well so far then :) | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:26:10] <verwilst> im looking them up :) | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:26:17] <verwilst> i can see 8 cores in cpuinfo | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:26:25] <verwilst> but not sure if it's dualcore, quadcore, ... | ||
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| [2009/07/03 04:26:38] <verwilst> 16GB RAM | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:26:40] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: enjoying SA? | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:26:50] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: backword s'hole :P | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:26:52] <verwilst> myeah, i didnt realise there were 900 hosts already :) | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:27:23] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: but yeah, its pretty sweet to get a decent steak again | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:27:34] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: lol - SAffers and their BBQ | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:27:34] <sinBot> mmmm.... bbq | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:27:44] <verwilst> it's a dell 2950 with 8 cores/cpus/.. and 16GB RAM jamesturnbull | ||
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| [2009/07/03 04:28:01] <verwilst> jamesturnbull: any numbers of your own to compare? :) | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:28:32] <Volcane> verwilst: by around 800 nodes i too had to move to 2 machines | ||
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| [2009/07/03 04:29:46] <jamesturnbull> verwilst: worth trying passenger probably too | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:30:00] <verwilst> passenger is faster? | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:30:07] <jamesturnbull> verwilst: though at those volumes it'd be a much of a muchness | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:30:52] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: car broke too, and no1 here stocks parts, so waiting for bits from another nearby little town, sheesh | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:31:19] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: where are you? | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:31:51] <Volcane> place called Potchefstroom like 150ish km from jhb | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:32:04] <Volcane> cape town from sunday though | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:32:28] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: thought you'd drive through the country? or visiting? | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:32:29] <verwilst> jamesturnbull, Volcane, how would you recommend doing a multi-server setup? | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:33:02] <verwilst> one way is to send all evenly numbered nodes to A and the rest to B :) | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:33:07] <verwilst> that does not require special CA stuffs | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:33:08] <verwilst> :P | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:33:29] <Volcane> verwilst: atm if you're not doing environments you can just round robin dns or put it behind a web load balancer | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:33:37] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: 1500km, rather fly :) | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:33:47] <verwilst> Volcane: the CA will be a prob then, no? | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:33:56] <jamesturnbull> verwilst: se wiki:PuppetScalability | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:33:57] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: verwilst: wiki:PuppetScalability is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/PuppetScalability | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:34:00] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: visiting my sister in potch, then going to cape town for some puppet work | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:34:16] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: oh cool | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:34:19] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: talked about puppet to ~40 people in jhb and again a talk in cape town too | ||
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| [2009/07/03 04:34:54] <verwilst> hm, spawning a different process for file requests should help a lot? | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:35:04] @ Quit: saurabhverma: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:35:16] <verwilst> but they are already 8 different instances in my case | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:35:36] <verwilst> or it's just because the "fileserver instance" doesnt need to handle non-file requests that speeds things up? | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:35:50] * jamesturnbull is going to eat bbl | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:37:32] <Volcane> verwilst: you can do that, u can split off the compiling and the ca, there are quite a few options for scaling not involving just out right load balancing | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:37:52] <Volcane> verwilst: i have regional masters - one in us and one in europe - i just made sure the same ca files are on them and it all just works | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:38:08] <Volcane> verwilst: i can point a client to either one and its fine - i do even cos i send all my reports to the one in europe | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:38:14] <fruitcak1> any good .erb tutorials out there? | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:38:24] <fruitcak1> good morning all, by the way :) | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:39:06] <Volcane> fruitcak1: not much to say about them, they're ruby language and all your manifest variables and facts are available to you | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:39:12] <verwilst> Volcane: hm, so just copying the ca files from the master onto the second one should make it all work great? | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:39:21] <Volcane> verwilst: yeah, works for me | ||
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| [2009/07/03 04:40:30] <verwilst> Volcane: and splitting compiling and fileserving helps too? | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:40:36] <verwilst> or aren't you doing that | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:40:46] <verwilst> ? | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:40:57] <Volcane> yeah, not done that, lots on the wiki about doing that though | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:41:06] <Volcane> i think nigelk does that, worth chatting to him | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:41:07] <verwilst> it might help i guess | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:41:15] <verwilst> Nigel: ping ;) | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:41:32] <Volcane> Nigel != nigelk :) | ||
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| [2009/07/03 04:44:06] <fruitcak1> Volcane: ok, cool, I don't know ruby very well but I'll learn | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:44:08] <fruitcak1> :) | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:44:22] <verwilst> oops | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:44:25] <verwilst> sorry Nigel ;) | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:44:39] <verwilst> Volcane: i guess i can use the puppetmaster init script for it ( from debian | ||
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| [2009/07/03 04:45:08] <verwilst> just start from 18140 for example, and set number of instances to 9 | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:45:20] <verwilst> and only use 8 in the apache proxy | ||
| [2009/07/03 04:45:33] <verwilst> and use the 9th for fileserving | ||
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| [2009/07/03 04:46:00] <verwilst> or start 10 and loadbalance 2 for fileserving | ||
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| [2009/07/03 05:29:13] <verwilst> my apache configs are pretty standard themselves too | ||
| [2009/07/03 05:29:31] <verwilst> i need to play with my maxclients and timeouts and such :) | ||
| [2009/07/03 05:29:45] <verwilst> Volcane: are you using apache with mongrel? | ||
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| [2009/07/03 05:37:05] <Black_ReZ> hello | ||
| [2009/07/03 05:38:30] <Black_ReZ> I did a mistake with certifcates | ||
| [2009/07/03 05:39:07] <Black_ReZ> I revoke one of the client and now the client can't connect to the master | ||
| [2009/07/03 05:44:16] <Nigel> verwilst: haha no problem | ||
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| [2009/07/03 05:49:40] <ch> I wonder what exactly do people manage on linux desktops? | ||
| [2009/07/03 05:50:27] <fruitcak1> if you have desks se up for multiple users | ||
| [2009/07/03 05:51:25] <fruitcak1> also, I know smeone who's synced their laptop, it accidentally got deleted and he recovered his setup really quickly | ||
| [2009/07/03 05:51:32] <fruitcak1> with puppet | ||
| [2009/07/03 05:51:42] <ch> yeah well | ||
| [2009/07/03 05:51:51] <ch> I was more thinking of what resources you'd want to manage | ||
| [2009/07/03 05:51:54] <ch> X11 config probably | ||
| [2009/07/03 05:52:56] <fruitcak1> customised configs in /etc and /usr/loacl/etc I suppose.. | ||
| [2009/07/03 05:53:00] <fruitcak1> local even | ||
| [2009/07/03 05:53:37] <fruitcak1> and installed packages each desk needs if it's an office network perhaps | ||
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| [2009/07/03 06:06:39] <apbarrett> oh great, solaris pkgadd -d http://... works, but pkginfo's "-d" option doesn't like URLs, it needs a file name | ||
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| [2009/07/03 06:29:37] <apbarrett> how do I use wildcards or regular expressions in a selector expression or case statement? I can't find a language reference, and the language tutorial doesn't have examples with wildcards. | ||
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| [2009/07/03 06:48:03] <x_dimitri> Volcane: Nice talk on Wednesday. Not to be a bother but I just thought I'd remind you to email the slides (I think you said you'd make a pdf of them). I did leave my email address with you after the talk. Thanks again. | ||
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| [2009/07/03 06:53:20] <Volcane> x_dimitri: I will send them over, stuck in Potch at the moment so might only send them week after next when I am back in london, but will try next week | ||
| [2009/07/03 06:53:56] <Volcane> x_dimitri: ADSL seems to be down more than up here etc, currently on 3G modem | ||
| [2009/07/03 07:01:01] <jamesturnbull> apbarrett: you can't currently | ||
| [2009/07/03 07:01:09] <jamesturnbull> apbarrett: that support will be in the final 0.25.0 release | ||
| [2009/07/03 07:02:48] <apbarrett> thanks. I found a workaround using if(regsub(...) == "..."), and I expect switch regsub(...) would also work if the regsub is guaranteed to produce one of a few constant results | ||
| [2009/07/03 07:07:18] <x_dimitri> Volcane: okay. Thanks. | ||
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| [2009/07/03 09:00:29] <verwilst> at the beginning of each puppet run, it checks for every kind of package management | ||
| [2009/07/03 09:00:41] <verwilst> can't i lock it to one so it can skip all the checks? | ||
| [2009/07/03 09:01:12] <verwilst> optimisation and such ;) | ||
| [2009/07/03 09:01:37] <apbarrett> I tried "Package {provider => foo}" to lock it down but it still tries lots of other stuff | ||
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| [2009/07/03 09:18:19] <apbarrett> can provider/package/blastwave.rb call a method defined in provider/package/sun.rb? I want to call info2hash() to get the version number of a locally-installed package even if the package is not present in the remote repository | ||
| [2009/07/03 09:20:05] * apbarrett is trying to add has_feature :versionable to the blastwave provider | ||
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| [2009/07/03 10:11:24] @ Topic is "Puppet 0.25.0beta2 released! http://tinyurl.com/puppet0250b2 | Tickets, bugs and features at http://tinyurl.com/46ryk7" | ||
| [2009/07/03 10:11:24] @ Topic set by jamesturnbull on Tue Jun 30 18:01:14 -0400 2009 | ||
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| [2009/07/03 10:17:18] <jamesturnbull> apbarrett: you'd need to add the method to the provider | ||
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| [2009/07/03 10:19:26] <apbarrett> that's what I thought. thanks. | ||
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| [2009/07/03 10:43:22] <glarizza> Quiet morning. People are probably gearing up to go on holiday. Have a great weekend, even all you non-seppos out there! | ||
| [2009/07/03 10:43:40] <hacim> seppo? | ||
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| [2009/07/03 10:44:44] <glarizza> Septic Tank...rhymes with Yank. Yankees - Americans. Cockney Slang | ||
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| [2009/07/03 11:57:35] <hacim> thats the weirdest logic ever | ||
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| [2009/07/03 13:54:59] <abien> uhm.. once i filed a bug with redmine i cannot update/edit the subject? | ||
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| [2009/07/03 17:11:43] <arubdesu> hey IRC, is this thing on? total noob(mac user to boot) wondering if I can talk some stuff out with y'all | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:12:07] <ezekiel> this thing is definitely "on" | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:12:11] <ezekiel> but you won't get much today | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:12:27] <ezekiel> it's a holidy | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:12:35] <ezekiel> or, almost a holiday and everyone seems to be out | ||
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| [2009/07/03 17:13:04] <arubdesu> yeah, and here I am finally getting around to a pretty complete write-up of how puppetmasterd can run on a mac | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:13:10] <ezekiel> (obviously not a holdiay for everyone) - but the channel is pretty quiet today | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:13:14] <arubdesu> yeah | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:14:54] <arubdesu> I'm looking for basic help after sifting through Mr. Turnbull's book, so if it's OK I'm just going to mindspray a bit, and anybody who thinks they can offer 2¢ it would be greatly appreciated if they can chip in | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:15:48] <arubdesu> total noob to IRC as well, so if I'm doing the equivalent of faux pas' like threadjacking, or if there's a better room for me I'd be glad to be schooled | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:18:19] <arubdesu> So, my barebones setup for puppetmasterd on a mac is lifted straight from here: http://www.mail-archive.com/puppet-users@googlegroups.com/msg02249.html | ||
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| [2009/07/03 17:19:54] <arubdesu> and I figured out the signing for a cert, so I can get the client, from over the network, have changes specified in the "servers" site.pp on a successful connection | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:21:38] <arubdesu> but it doesn't seem like facts are being sent back and forth, nor can I get the client to apply any of the changes the server had made to it using any sort of local config | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:22:49] <arubdesu> I tried to move over a puppet.conf that was --genconfig'd by the server to the client, but that didn't work | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:23:42] <Volcane> did you disable genconfig in the resulting config? | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:24:05] <arubdesu> so I guess the basic question is, what is the bare minimum to get the puppet client to cache a config from the server, and then apply it to itself when "off-network"? | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:24:57] <arubdesu> I'm just having the client run puppetd -v -d | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:25:34] <Volcane> if u make config with --genconfig then that config includes the setting to just do genconfig | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:25:44] <arubdesu> does the client need its own site.pp? | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:25:52] <Volcane> so you cant just --genconfig and expect to copy it verbatim to a box | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:25:57] <arubdesu> ah | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:27:15] <arubdesu> k, I thought a successful handshake(getting a signed cert) with the server was enough to have the client start to cache the needed files | ||
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| [2009/07/03 17:27:25] <Volcane> it should have been yes | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:27:32] <Volcane> unless u didnt make a node file | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:27:40] <arubdesu> nope, total noob | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:28:11] <Volcane> try http://www.devco.net/pubwiki/Puppet/GettingStarted | ||
| [2009/07/03 17:28:51] <arubdesu> thanks very much, will look through Mr. Turnbull's book as well and report back! | ||
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| [2009/07/03 18:09:16] <arubdesu> yeah, so on page3 of that guide the question is "How does a client know which server to communicate with?", and I've been specifying the FQDN of the server on every puppetd --test run | ||
| [2009/07/03 18:10:20] <arubdesu> and even after creating the node on the server and having the client connect it doesn't know where the server is, error is that its still looking for the default puppet | ||
| [2009/07/03 18:11:58] <arubdesu> ah, so I'm SUPPOSED to be using "puppet" as a dns alias for the server? | ||
| [2009/07/03 18:13:16] <jamesturnbull> arubdesu: it's usually a good idea | ||
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| [2009/07/03 18:16:41] <arubdesu> DNS on my local network is managed by our Xserve, so I was modifying it there rather than on each individual host file. | ||
| [2009/07/03 18:16:49] <arubdesu> I'll give that a shot after dumping my SSL directory on the client | ||
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| [2009/07/03 18:47:47] <ericrw> hello | ||
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| [2009/07/03 18:50:26] <arubdesu> thanks again all, I'm a long way away from being ready for training at the end of the month, but will try hard to not be a noob by the time I get there! | ||
| [2009/07/03 18:50:33] <arubdesu> good weekend/holiday all! | ||
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| [2009/07/03 19:18:31] <blahdeblah1> hacim: Did someone explain "seppo" for you? :-) | ||
| [2009/07/03 19:19:47] <jamesturnbull> blahdeblah1: we don't tell the septic tanks :) | ||
| [2009/07/03 19:20:10] <blahdeblah1> jamesturnbull: OK - sorry. Wink wink nudge nudge. | ||
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| [2009/07/03 21:23:01] <jetole> hey guys, does anyone know of a puppet management interface? somthing like php or gtk or anything that can help you configure puppet? | ||
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| [2009/07/03 21:37:24] <dedward> HI all | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:37:58] <dedward> Can someone point me in the right direction here -I'm new to this, but I'm trying to reoncile in my head the difference between fileserver.conf, and files included in modules/ | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:38:13] <dedward> which seem to be served up just fine to clients even though they aren't under anything managed by fileserver.conf | ||
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| [2009/07/03 21:42:30] <joe-mac1> do you have a modules section in your fileserver.conf? | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:42:43] <dedward> no | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:43:25] <dedward> I may be wrong - I can re-test this | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:43:43] <dedward> I guess I was confused going through some of hte tutorials when the ytalk about creating modules, but dont' mention touchign fileserver.conf | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:44:26] <jetole> you know, I just looked up fileserver in language tutorial, puppet best practices and style guide and found nothing however fileserverconfig is part of the puppetmasterd --genconfig | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:45:10] <jamesturnbull> jetole: there is iclassify | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:45:20] <dedward> okay for example - I have a /etc/puppet/modules/sudo/files/sudoers | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:45:23] <dedward> per some example | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:45:42] <jamesturnbull> jetole: http://github.com/adamhjk/iclassify/tree/master | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:45:48] <dedward> the node picks it up and creates the file | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:46:23] <bgupta> Is 0.25 still 2 months out?? | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:46:33] * jetole looks at iclassify | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:47:22] * bgupta is running iclassify | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:47:22] <joe-mac1> dedward: yea, it's all a bit magical. do you want to disable that or are you just trying to understand it? | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:47:24] <dedward> ok so it is a bit cnfusing then | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:47:29] <dedward> just trying to grok it | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:47:47] <dedward> understand it | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:47:51] <jetole> jamesturnbull: where do I find out more about iclassify, the homepage listed in the git tree is a dead link | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:48:00] <dedward> from hte looks of it I can ignore fileserver.conf if I'm doing everything up as moudles | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:48:01] <dedward> modules | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:48:10] <joe-mac1> it just works really, i think i have something in my fileserver.conf for modules but it's not necessary from what someone here told me | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:48:11] <bgupta> jetole try google cache | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:48:18] <jetole> nope | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:48:20] <jetole> ;) | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:48:36] <dedward> IT's the "magic" part that scares me when I'm thinking of rolling this out to manage some stuff worth millions :) | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:49:50] <jamesturnbull> jetole: try google - http://edmund.haselwanter.com/en/blog/2008/08/26/automated-environment-puppet-iclassify-and-capistrano/ | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:50:33] <jamesturnbull> dedward: have you got my book - http://tinyurl.com/pupbook - that is a good start - also Volcane's getting started guide | ||
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| [2009/07/03 21:51:50] <jetole> yeah I looked at that, doesn't tell me too much to be honest about what iclassify is and there is no google cache for wuju.hijsolutions | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:52:02] <jetole> *wiki. | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:52:26] <jetole> ah, that whole url I posted is one huge typo, wiki.hjksolutions.com | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:52:51] <jetole> is iclassify a graphical manager that can simplify puppet administration? | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:53:46] <jamesturnbull> jetole: it's a somewhat defunct project but it's a inventory and node classification rool | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:53:59] <jetole> thats what it looked like | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:54:09] <jamesturnbull> jetole: regarding guis - talk to lak when he is online - RL is releasing an open source web interface in the near futurer | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:54:18] <jetole> so do you know of a graphical puppet management ... | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:54:22] <jetole> oh | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:54:24] <jetole> :( | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:54:35] * jetole was gonna write one if it didn't exist | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:54:44] <jamesturnbull> jetole: well I suggest discussing with lak | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:54:53] <jamesturnbull> jetole: I am unsure where their project | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:55:13] <jamesturnbull> is up to | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:55:30] <jetole> don't suppose anyone knows his e-mail off the top of their head? | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:55:37] <jamesturnbull> luke@madstop.com | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:55:46] <jetole> thanks | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:55:49] <jamesturnbull> gepetto: seen lak | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:55:49] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: lak was last seen 11 hours, 3 minutes and 59 seconds ago, quitting IRC () | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:56:35] <jamesturnbull> jetole: I think he'd welcome GUIs in addition to theirs | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:56:51] <jamesturnbull> jetole: cc me in james@lovedthanlost.net - I'm happy to help out | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:57:07] * jamesturnbull is now got to run off and do things | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:57:17] <jetole> well I haven't started developing yet, doing prior research I wanted to see if it existed yet but I am writting him anyways | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:57:20] <jetole> I will cc you | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:58:45] <hacim> bgupta: someone did, but it doesn't make much sense because I can think of a lot of other things that rhyme with yank, like 'beef frank' | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:59:09] <jetole> jamesturnbull: who is lak anyways? is he one of the puppet designers/maintainers? | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:59:19] <hacim> blahdeblah1: err ^^ | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:59:27] <hacim> bgupta: sorry! | ||
| [2009/07/03 21:59:39] <bgupta> hacim: Huh? Oh... ok. | ||
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| [2009/07/03 22:00:19] <bgupta> hacim: Accidentally hit a macro? | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:00:22] <bgupta> ;) | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:00:39] <hacim> bgupta: tab completion | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:00:45] <bgupta> ah | ||
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| [2009/07/03 22:02:22] <joe-mac2> jetole, lak is the father of puppet | ||
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| [2009/07/03 22:03:11] <joe-mac2> been doing infrastructure for a long time, his blog has some interesting stuff in it if you're into ops/infrastructure (which if you're here, you must be) | ||
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| [2009/07/03 22:11:21] <jamesturnbull> jetole: i presume someone said who lak is - i am puppet's release manager | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:11:22] <jetole> joe-mac2: actually I was already looking at it from the url in the email posted and yeah, I guessed he was rather involved and probably the founder | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:12:08] <joe-mac2> yea, i didn't know if you saw that cause my ISP sucks shit | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:12:19] <joe-mac2> once i start maxing my bandwith connections drop like flies | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:12:37] <jetole> ouch | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:12:52] <jetole> can't run irssi on a server in screen and ssh in? | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:13:13] <joe-mac2> i do use screen for ssh, have to or i would end up wanting to commit suicide really fast | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:13:26] <joe-mac2> i should probably do irc too, but it's not as enraging as ssh for me | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:14:02] <jetole> look into irssi + screen + ssh | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:14:09] <jetole> it's a popular topic among irssi | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:14:44] <jetole> my irc client host has been up 299 days | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:14:45] <jetole> w00t | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:14:53] <joe-mac2> lol | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:15:06] <jamesturnbull> i use it - makes life much easier | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:15:11] <jetole> I'm surprised it hasn't died, it's an old sparc cpu | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:15:22] <joe-mac2> sparcs don't die | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:15:25] <joe-mac2> fact | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:15:33] <jetole> so I can tell | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:15:48] <jamesturnbull> though i would like a good ssh solution that worked qith screeb for the iphone | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:16:07] <jetole> ah I gave up on ssh on the iphone | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:16:24] <joe-mac2> typing on the iphone is painful, this is why i still use a blackberry | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:16:34] <jetole> oh god no | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:16:36] <jamesturnbull> yeah pretty much me too | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:16:48] <jetole> I upgraded from blackberry curve and can type faster on the iphone | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:17:08] <jetole> plus better screen and built in gps and wifi | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:17:14] <jamesturnbull> i type faster on my pearl but it sucks with ssh | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:17:23] <jetole> actually the list goes on why I prefer the iphone | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:18:41] <joe-mac2> it's the lack of tactile sensation | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:18:56] <jetole> also, I know this isn't a vm room but I'm curious, either of you guys tried kvm? | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:19:01] <jetole> joe-mac2: you get used to it | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:19:11] <jetole> took me a bit but you do | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:19:49] <joe-mac2> i use vm crippleware | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:19:58] <joe-mac2> and workstation | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:20:05] <joe-mac2> workstation is awesome, but the 'free' server sucks | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:20:10] <jetole> vm crippleware? | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:20:24] <joe-mac2> yes, we can't afford VI at work right now | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:20:39] <jetole> oh you mean the free ESXi? | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:20:57] <joe-mac2> nope, free server | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:21:02] <jetole> oh | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:21:05] <jetole> yeah thats worse | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:21:21] <jetole> we have the free ESXi on a few servers and thats crippleware IMHO, making the move to Xen | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:22:04] <joe-mac2> yea we tried to use thta and found the lack of like bulk management and the fact we would all have to learn nwe software wasn't worth it at that time, we're going to move to full VI4 in the future, just hacve no idea when | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:22:25] <jetole> but I was checking out kvm a couple months ago and that is pretty bad to, did you know each vCPU in kvm creates a 1 load in your run queue average, that is just sooo bad | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:23:15] <jetole> as far as bulk management have you looked at open nebula? | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:23:24] <joe-mac2> never heard of it | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:23:27] <jetole> I think thats the tool I am trying to remember | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:23:32] * jetole googles to double check | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:23:46] <jetole> http://www.opennebula.org/doku.php | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:24:27] <jetole> works with Xen, KVM and I believe anything that uses the libvirtd library although I haven't tried it yet | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:24:40] <jetole> open nebula, not libvirtd, tried that | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:25:04] <jetole> is VI4 part of the server project or is that ESX? | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:26:30] <joe-mac2> that uses esx, and has a bunch of shiny features | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:26:38] <joe-mac2> the cost is actually more associated with the disk subsystem | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:26:43] <jetole> ah well thats good | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:26:48] <jetole> server isn't a hypervisor | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:26:51] <joe-mac2> though the licensing is also a lot more expensive than free | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:26:55] <jamesturnbull> Û | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:26:58] <joe-mac2> the SAN is where you get reamed | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:27:25] <joe-mac2> jetole yea, it's unusable for anything that consumes even moderate disk I/O | ||
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| [2009/07/03 22:27:49] <jetole> hmmm, haven't done SAN, I use iscsi on the free version to a redundant file server | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:27:59] <jetole> same with the Xen hosts | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:29:26] <joe-mac2> well, you can do a poor mans san with iscsi that is pretty fast if you use a dedicated physical LAN with good network hardware | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:29:37] <jetole> yep | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:29:46] <jetole> 1000Mbps on dedicated lan | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:29:56] <jetole> runs well | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:30:51] <jetole> well, I gotta run | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:30:55] <jetole> gonna go into the office | ||
| [2009/07/03 22:30:56] <joe-mac2> k, see ya | ||
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