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| [2009/06/16 02:58:58] <nico> Volcane: ping | ||
| [2009/06/16 02:59:57] <Volcane> lo | ||
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| [2009/06/16 03:10:54] <nico> Volcane: a few days ago we spoke about a HA puppetmaster | ||
| [2009/06/16 03:11:25] <nico> you told me to share a dir, was it libdir or ssldir ? | ||
| [2009/06/16 03:11:49] <Volcane> probably the yaml dir i think | ||
| [2009/06/16 03:11:54] <Volcane> according to nigel anyway | ||
| [2009/06/16 03:12:31] <nico> why sharing the yaml dir ? aren't manifests recompiled at each run ? | ||
| [2009/06/16 03:13:07] <Volcane> there's some state written in there thats only available during initial setup of the connection | ||
| [2009/06/16 03:13:21] <nico> hm | ||
| [2009/06/16 03:13:36] <Volcane> so if you have a load balanced setup when a box hits first puppet1 then later in the same run puppet2 things will be weird | ||
| [2009/06/16 03:14:12] <Volcane> and you should probably share the ssl stuff too, or at least arrange for the CAs to be the same | ||
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| [2009/06/16 03:33:44] <nico> Volcane: one run can be dispatched on serveral boxes ? | ||
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| [2009/06/16 03:35:55] <Volcane> you could do it depending on your LB setup etc, you could also just split things so that file serving happens from one master while other stuff comes from another master etc | ||
| [2009/06/16 03:37:43] <nico> hooo | ||
| [2009/06/16 03:38:20] <Volcane> mine gets files/manifest from a master in their country and then it sends reports all to one of hte masters | ||
| [2009/06/16 03:39:33] <nico> ho reports | ||
| [2009/06/16 03:39:53] <nico> that's the thing I have not yet setup | ||
| [2009/06/16 03:42:47] <nico> sharing the whole /var/lib/puppet will do the trick I think | ||
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| [2009/06/16 03:47:13] <Volcane> do you also run puppetd on your masters? | ||
| [2009/06/16 03:47:21] <nico> Not yet | ||
| [2009/06/16 03:47:37] <nico> but I'm writing the puppet::master class right now | ||
| [2009/06/16 03:48:51] <Volcane> then you probably dont want to share the whole /var/lib/puppet | ||
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| [2009/06/16 03:49:07] <nico> Volcane: thanks | ||
| [2009/06/16 03:49:21] <nico> puppet internals are still a bit obscure to me | ||
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| [2009/06/16 04:35:34] <JD> is there anything I can do to reduce the load that stored configs causes | ||
| [2009/06/16 04:35:47] <JD> our puppetmaster has eaten all the memory | ||
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| [2009/06/16 04:42:36] <Volcane> there are improvements in newer releases esp 0.24.8 and 0.25.x will be much better | ||
| [2009/06/16 04:44:06] <JD> running 024.8, so I'd hate to see what 0.24.7 was like :) | ||
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| [2009/06/16 04:44:32] <JD> when are we due a 0.25? | ||
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| [2009/06/16 04:48:17] <Volcane> no set schedule, first beta is out | ||
| [2009/06/16 04:48:34] <JD> Volcane: is it stable? backwards compatible? | ||
| [2009/06/16 04:48:53] <Volcane> i found some issues with my manifests | ||
| [2009/06/16 04:49:10] <Volcane> tickets opened and all closed | ||
| [2009/06/16 04:49:20] <Volcane> so should be pretty close by rc2 I'd think, but not really sure | ||
| [2009/06/16 04:49:31] <Volcane> anyway, gotta run | ||
| [2009/06/16 04:49:35] <JD> cheers | ||
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| [2009/06/16 04:59:20] <rasputnik> dipstick question : does 'NP' in /etc/shadow on Linux mean the same as Solaris (that user is enabled, but can't login with a password)? | ||
| [2009/06/16 05:00:16] <HarryCalahan> rasputnik: no. | ||
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| [2009/06/16 05:06:54] <gebi> rasputnik: thats what * and ! are for, you can write a ! before the hash in shadow to disable password logins | ||
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| [2009/06/16 05:09:48] <rasputnik> gebi, HarryCalahan thanks. will give it a whirl. | ||
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| [2009/06/16 05:46:40] <rasputnik> a puppet user { "foo": password => 'hash' } puts 'hash' into /etc/shadow, right? (on RHEL/Linux) | ||
| [2009/06/16 05:47:36] * rasputnik resorts to RTFM | ||
| [2009/06/16 05:48:33] <henk> it should imho | ||
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| [2009/06/16 05:54:15] <rasputnik> yay, it does. | ||
| [2009/06/16 05:54:43] <rasputnik> I'm trynig to provision sysadmin accounts that can only get in with an RSA key. Working now. | ||
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| [2009/06/16 05:57:21] <JD> Volcane: I upgraded to rail2.1 and ruby1.8.7 pl72 | ||
| [2009/06/16 05:57:28] <JD> we'll see if this makes a differene | ||
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| [2009/06/16 06:20:37] <tim|macbook_> i don't want to start a war here, but I need an easy, simple, private wiki... any suggestions? | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:20:57] <ivan> text files versioned by git | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:21:06] <ivan> restructured text on github :-) | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:21:15] <HarryCalahan> mediawiki never hurt and i always had a webserver around | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:21:44] <tim|macbook_> HarryCalahan: I just ditched Mediawiki for this, because I cannot make it private in any easy way... it keeps asking me to login when I've already logged i | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:21:48] <tim|macbook_> *logged in | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:21:56] <tim|macbook_> ivan: text files != wiki | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:22:14] <gebi> tim|macbook_: ikiwiki? | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:22:18] <HarryCalahan> tim|macbook_: add http authentication and use a plugin to pull auth from environment | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:22:37] <QMan> tim|macbook_: tiddlywiki? | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:22:48] <tim|macbook_> HarryCalahan: only plugin i can find is from 2007 and doesn't work anymore for the current versions | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:22:55] <QMan> no server required. http://www.tiddlywiki.com/ | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:23:27] <HarryCalahan> choose a framework of your choice and follow the "write a wiki in this web 2.0 framework in 10 minutes" | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:23:57] <HarryCalahan> tutorial | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:25:13] <tim|macbook_> QMan: need something with a server, i want to write a doc for a customer, but want her to be able to add text too and keep track of my work | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:25:56] * Volcane uses freebie pbworks.com accounts for that kind of thing | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:27:30] <tim|macbook_> $20/month it tells me | ||
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| [2009/06/16 06:30:25] <Volcane> tim|macbook_: ah they've changed whats free then, my accts old, but there is still a minimal free one and no doubt many competitors who also do free starter accts | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:30:47] <tim|macbook_> yeah, was just looking at it :) | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:31:04] <Volcane> nice enough permissions system etc, and no wiki markup to learn | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:31:12] <Volcane> which is good for phb's and clients | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:31:46] <QMan> if you want something cringeworthy.... shared google docs item? :) | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:32:00] @ Quit: mikepea: | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:32:31] <QMan> items have access control, and "collaborative" editing (read: you can stomp on each others changes) | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:32:42] <QMan> for a single user on each side, it might work | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:33:40] <QMan> I need a shower after that suggestion. <shudders> | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:33:49] <Volcane> heh | ||
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| [2009/06/16 06:39:41] <rasputnik> I've got non virtual users that I want to be virtual, but they have some file dependencies too (.ssh/authorized_keys, essentially). Anyway to tie the 2 together? | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:40:22] <Volcane> if you set user => foo on the files the dependencies will be auto created | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:40:55] <Volcane> but virtual users can also have dependencies just like normal ones, and u can inherit and override into other classes - thats the main reason for bothering with virtual users in the first place | ||
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| [2009/06/16 06:51:53] <rasputnik> I'm using a definiton currently : http://github.com/rasputnik/babysteps-puppet/blob/master/modules/sshusers/manifests/init.pp | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:53:32] <rasputnik> I can change the user {} => '@user', but not sure that's enough? Probably best just trying it out. | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:53:41] <Volcane> what does it achieve? | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:53:51] <Volcane> i mean what are you trying to do by making the user virtual | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:54:27] <rasputnik> I want to be able to define all our sysadmins here, but then only create some of them on a given box. | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:54:43] <Volcane> right | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:54:57] <Volcane> well you could just do @ssh_user { ... } | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:55:07] <Volcane> and realize(Ssh_user["foo"]) later | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:55:14] <rasputnik> Volcane, that sounds promising :) awesome. | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:56:00] <rasputnik> I confess virtual resources make no sense to me. | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:56:28] <Volcane> yeah, they have few good use cases, yours where u want to define all users in one go and only put some on a box | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:56:40] <Volcane> and the other is if you needed to override properties of a user | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:56:51] <Volcane> you could simplify things by just making classes users::john | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:56:57] <Volcane> and whever u need john, you just include him | ||
| [2009/06/16 06:57:08] <Volcane> i think in your case its about the same amount of hassle | ||
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| [2009/06/16 07:07:08] <rasputnik> it's my first time using definitons. fair play, they are a lifesaver. *extremely* glad I found them before tackling apache vhosts. | ||
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| [2009/06/16 07:07:31] <Volcane> rasputnik: yeah no shit :) | ||
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| [2009/06/16 07:22:10] <verwilst> hello | ||
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| [2009/06/16 07:22:30] <verwilst> lately im getting errors like this during my puppet runs: | ||
| [2009/06/16 07:22:38] <verwilst> Jun 16 13:19:30 puppet01 puppetd[14261]: Could not call puppetmaster.getconfig: #<#<Class:0x7f14d6002098>: execution expired> | ||
| [2009/06/16 07:22:44] <verwilst> mongrel.. | ||
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| [2009/06/16 07:48:59] <verwilst> maybe because mongrel can't keep up? | ||
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| [2009/06/16 08:40:47] <gazzerh> hi. i have a problem where ssh_authorized_key object is failing on a user dependency. i have put a require parameter for the user but it isn't working. any suggestions? | ||
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| [2009/06/16 08:41:57] <JD> gazzerh: puppetd --test --debug output show you anything? | ||
| [2009/06/16 08:43:31] <gazzerh> no. just that is can not create key because user doesn't exist | ||
| [2009/06/16 08:44:00] <JD> well surely the user has failed | ||
| [2009/06/16 08:44:29] <gazzerh> if i remove the ssh_authorized_key object it works fine and the user is created | ||
| [2009/06/16 08:46:05] <gazzerh> i have a class which calles a function for all users i want to realize. after realizing the user it creates the home directory from a skell directory served from the puppetmaster. after this is tries to create the authorized_keys file | ||
| [2009/06/16 08:47:01] <gazzerh> i remove the key object and the user is created and the users home directory is created without issue | ||
| [2009/06/16 08:47:56] <gazzerh> if i manually create the user and the users home directory on the client and run an update the authorized_keys file is created correctly | ||
| [2009/06/16 08:48:46] <gazzerh> it just won't do it all together in my function | ||
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| [2009/06/16 09:32:13] <fzzzt> morning | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:39:05] <zirpu> too early. | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:39:14] * fzzzt agrees | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:39:19] * zirpu starts his 2nd cuppa. | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:39:27] * fzzzt doesn't drink coffee :P | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:39:44] * fsweetser prefers a nice cup of chai instead... | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:40:03] <fzzzt> I just drink OJ in the morning usually | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:40:57] <fsweetser> but doesn't OJ lack caffeine? | ||
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| [2009/06/16 09:41:08] <fzzzt> indeed | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:41:14] <fzzzt> i try not to drink caffeine | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:41:24] <HarryCalahan> and for me ignorant non american. What is OJ? | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:41:29] <fzzzt> orange juice | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:41:34] <HarryCalahan> *haedpalm* | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:41:39] <zirpu> fzzzt, good idea. once you're hooked, it's a total bitch to get off. | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:41:44] <fzzzt> yep :) | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:41:59] <zirpu> i've quite coffee lots of times. :-) | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:42:04] <nico> where do you put your custom functions on a debian puppetmaster N | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:42:05] <fzzzt> hehe | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:42:08] <nico> s/N/? | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:42:22] <nico> /var/lib/puppet/lib/puppet/parser/functions ? | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:42:31] <zirpu> what?! | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:42:52] <Volcane> use pluginsync | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:43:04] <zirpu> i was thinking more like /etc/puppet/functions or the plugin system. | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:43:27] <Volcane> zirpu: they typically live in libdir and pluginsync manages it for you so you dont need to put them there yourself | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:43:34] <nico> doc says : "put it in libdir" | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:43:35] <ctso> fzzzt: i've recently taken upon drinking coke in the morning for my caffeine fix. it's disgusting. | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:43:49] <fzzzt> probably /etc/puppet-enabled/modules-really-enabled/<name>/manifests-not-disabled/ | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:43:58] <fzzzt> eww coke really? | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:44:00] <nico> Volcane: puppetmaster is not yet a puppet client | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:44:06] <fzzzt> why? | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:44:46] <ctso> mostly because there's no coffee in the house, heh | ||
| [2009/06/16 09:45:00] <fzzzt> oh :) | ||
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| [2009/06/16 10:05:54] * JD wonders if mikepea will ever have a stable connection to irc :) | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:06:32] <JD> mikepea: don't suppose you know anyone looking for a senior sysadmin job? | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:06:51] <KarlHungus> where? | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:06:54] <mikepea> brighton | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:06:54] <KarlHungus> :) | ||
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| [2009/06/16 10:07:17] <f3ew> JD #lopsa might be more useful | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:07:18] <mikepea> JD: 'fraid not... | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:07:44] <mikepea> you recruiting again then I take it? | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:07:44] <JD> mikepea: thought as much, but figured I might as well ask | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:08:01] <KarlHungus> ahh. too far away ;) | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:08:15] <JD> mikepea: well we've sort of been recruiting for the last 6 months, just not with a lot of effort | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:08:45] <JD> KarlHungus: if you're not within 10 miles of brighton, it's probably too far away :) | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:09:24] <KarlHungus> hehe, i'm in SC, so thats a bit far to commute | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:11:27] <JD> ah, not the cold, wet carolina then | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:11:55] <KarlHungus> no the hot and humid one ;) | ||
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| [2009/06/16 10:13:35] * nico hugs Volcane | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:13:46] <JD> perhaps learning US geography from The West Wing isn't such a good idea. | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:13:46] <nico> your extlookup thingie saves me hours | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:13:59] <Volcane> :) | ||
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| [2009/06/16 10:17:41] <JD> okay, so stored configs are most definitely staying off until 0.25.0 is out | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:18:02] <JD> 6 minute catalog compiles is just a little silly | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:19:56] <JD> a 700x increase is just not right | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:20:06] <Volcane> heh | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:20:40] <JD> what on earth can it be doing that results in it taking that long? | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:21:13] <nico> process is waiting for its dad to come back from eating memory | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:21:18] * nico ducks | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:21:33] <JD> sod it, it's ice cream time | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:21:35] <HarryCalahan> calculating one protein folding | ||
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| [2009/06/16 10:23:19] <Volcane> JD: you could have me for a few days a week :P | ||
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| [2009/06/16 10:24:41] <JD> Volcane: I doubt you'd be in our price range | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:24:47] <Volcane> booh | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:25:05] <JD> Volcane: I'm presuming you'd want paying by the hour, not by the year | ||
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| [2009/06/16 10:39:08] <ctso> Volcane: is there a general estimate on when people generally need to start thinking about scaling puppet? Im running puppet on a 2.33ghz xeon, but i'm about to try to install puppet clients to ~70 production machines... kind of want to avoid the whole multi-server setup and the whole certificate mess, but at the same time sort of realizing that it is inevitable... | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:40:28] <Volcane> ctso: I've had 700 clients on a single machine | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:40:49] <Volcane> depends if you have exported resources, lots of recursive copies etc | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:41:21] <BMDan> ctso: We're running about 200 servers off a single server that also does a lot of other things. As Volcane is saying, your classes matter a lot more than your processor speed. | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:41:38] <JD> stored configs == bad | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:41:42] <ctso> hhmm. got it | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:41:43] <JD> very bad :) | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:41:46] <ctso> haha | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:41:53] <fzzzt> stored configs? | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:42:34] <JD> fzzzt: the stuff needed for exported resources | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:42:45] <fzzzt> hmm, haven't had to look into that before | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:43:22] <joe-mac1> JD: why are storedconfigs bad? besides the node expiration thing? | ||
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| [2009/06/16 10:43:59] <JD> joe-mac1: without, catalog compile: 0.5sec | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:44:05] <JD> with 354sec | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:44:26] <joe-mac1> i haven't used them yet but, are you sure soemthing is not wrong with your databasE? | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:44:37] <Volcane> joe-mac1: they suck | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:44:53] <joe-mac1> Volcane: enlighten me | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:45:02] <joe-mac1> i want to use them cause i am sick of doing nagios by hand | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:45:19] <JD> they use ActiveRecord and the Rails framework for DB access | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:45:38] <JD> it eats memory like a bitch | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:45:41] <joe-mac1> does .25 use something else? | ||
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| [2009/06/16 10:47:31] <ckdake> hello- i'm building a module "backup" that handles some things including an rsyncd file for xinetd. I already have a module that installs xinetd and ensures that it's running, how can my backup module tell xinetd to restart when the /etc/xinetd.d/rsync file is installed? | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:48:21] <JD> ckdake: notify it | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:49:11] <JD> you want something like: file{"/etc/xinetd.d/rsync": notify => Service[xinentd] } | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:49:41] <ckdake> ah nice. that looks like the trick. I'm converting a big mess of things all in manifests/classes/ to modules and following puppet best practices, so theres lots of scary hardcoded exec commands :) | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:49:50] <fzzzt> or have service xinetd subscribe to the file | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:50:09] <JD> fzzzt: it's unlikely you'd want to do it that way | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:50:25] <ckdake> fzzzt: there are some systems that will have xinetd but not rsyncd | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:50:27] <JD> or you'd need xinetd to subscribe to everything you'd want to install | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:50:47] * ckdake was debating including xinetd and rsync xinetd config in the same module, but realized that | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:51:41] <ctso> does notify also imply a "before"? | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:52:00] <fzzzt> i would think after | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:52:21] <fzzzt> but i haven't use notify, i use subscribe hehe | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:52:45] <ctso> fzzzt: me too, requires and/or subscribes.. :\ | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:52:51] <fzzzt> yeah | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:53:02] <fzzzt> does require trigger if the target changes? | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:53:05] <JD> fzzzt: it depends on the situation, if you never use notify, then you've possibly tied things too closely together | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:53:09] <fzzzt> some things i have both.. | ||
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| [2009/06/16 10:53:42] <JD> fzzzt: no, require just makes sure it's already done | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:53:43] <fzzzt> i'm sure i have, this is my first puppet install, i'm bound to screw things up a bit | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:53:49] <fzzzt> yeah, that's what i though, ok | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:53:51] <JD> require is a dependency option. | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:54:15] <JD> before/require are opposites of each other | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:54:23] <JD> as are notify/subscribe | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:55:06] <fzzzt> so notify is done before the action it taken? | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:55:35] <fzzzt> or do you mean opposites in direction of the messaging | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:55:44] <JD> fzzzt: no, notify is the same as subscribe, only it's specified at the other end | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:55:49] <fzzzt> gotcha | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:56:02] <JD> so a file might notify a service, while a service might subscribe to a file | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:56:37] <ctso> (but in general, notify > subscribe?) | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:56:50] <JD> ctso: it depends on the situation | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:57:00] <fzzzt> seems like that would be safer | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:57:20] <ctso> heh. i just thought that using both would just confuse the crap out of me when i re-read the configs | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:57:23] <ctso> so i picked one | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:57:25] <JD> like when we install a munin plugin, we notify the munin-node service to restart, because the munin-node service won't know what plugins we're going to install, but it will subscribe to /etc/munin/munin-node.conf | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:57:34] <fzzzt> ctso, same here heh :)\ | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:57:52] <JD> they're both there for very good reasons and you will need to use both | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:58:05] <fzzzt> okay, but why don't you have the .conf notify munin? | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:59:03] <JD> in that case, they're both in the same class, so I could have done it either way | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:59:26] <JD> but there are cases where you need to use subscribe | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:59:32] <JD> and can't use notify | ||
| [2009/06/16 10:59:40] <ctso> interesting | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:00:05] <ctso> man, i used to think subscribe implied require | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:00:08] <ctso> but that was not true... | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:00:30] <fzzzt> hmmm...like what...if you subscribe to one file inside a recursive copy maybe? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:00:32] * Volcane 's got no subscribes | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:00:53] <fzzzt> (which doesnt sound like a good route to take) | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:01:29] <JD> Volcane: we normally subscribe services to their config files | ||
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| [2009/06/16 11:02:25] <fzzzt> it sounds like it's more conventional; if it's in the same class, subscribe, otherwise notify | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:03:08] <ctso> why does same/diff class make a difference? won't the config fail if you try to notify a service that isn't included in the current configuration? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:03:09] <fzzzt> as opposed to a technical reason | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:03:15] <Volcane> JD: yeah they're indentical its just about what reads/works better for your work way | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:04:06] <fzzzt> ctso, because if your app subscribes to a plugin or something, and one machine doesn't have that plugin, you have an "empty" subscribe... at least that's how i think about it. with notify, your app doesn't need to know about all the plugins, the plugins tell the app about themselves | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:04:22] <ckdake> hmm. I'm getting " Found dependency cycles in the following relationships: File[rsync] => Service[xinetd], Service[xinetd] => File[rsync]" for this: http://pastebin.com/m5ea1cd78 but not seeing the xinetd->file[rsync] dependency. any ideas? | ||
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| [2009/06/16 11:04:32] <ctso> ah yes | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:04:42] <ctso> it sounds like notify is more usable in general than subscribe | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:05:13] <fzzzt> yeah | ||
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| [2009/06/16 11:05:19] <fzzzt> my opinion has changed :P | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:05:24] <Volcane> ctso: it might be useful to use subscribe on services as a convention because it helps you answer the question of 'what actions will restart tomcat' | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:05:42] @ Quit: tim|macbook_: | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:05:44] <HarryCalahan> it think of notify as a push (hey, you, restart!) vs a subscribe as a pull (did it already change? no. now?. no. now?). Thats not correct in terms of puppets dependency management, but thinking this way keeps it straight for my brain. | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:06:21] <loquito_> Anyone ever experienced a "permission denied" when trying to get the catalog? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:06:41] <Volcane> loquito_: show the full error on pastie pls | ||
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| [2009/06/16 11:06:47] <loquito_> Okay | ||
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| [2009/06/16 11:10:17] <loquito_> http://gist.github.com/130733 | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:11:24] <Volcane> are you running it as root? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:11:36] <loquito_> yep on both master and client | ||
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| [2009/06/16 11:11:43] <Volcane> selinux? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:11:53] <Volcane> nfs? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:12:04] <loquito_> No, all iptables rules flushed as well | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:12:07] <Volcane> cos i think its literally saying the master cant write to that file | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:12:12] <Volcane> and the master doesnt run as root | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:12:18] <loquito_> hmmm | ||
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| [2009/06/16 11:23:23] <loquito_> We are running as route is there a good way to debug this | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:23:37] <loquito_> root* | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:24:24] <Volcane> cssh puppet 15173 1.5 17.4 286560 182756 ? Ssl Jun05 247:58 /usr/bin/ruby /usr/sbin/puppetmasterd --servertype mongrel --masterport 18140 --pidfile /var/run/puppet/puppetmaster-18140.pid | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:24:36] <Volcane> loquito_: so you're master processes like that are running as root? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:24:47] <tim|macbook> so... apparantly, finding competent people isn't really all that hard... two applicants in two weeks and both seem to be great for the job... considering to raise my bar ;-) | ||
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| [2009/06/16 11:35:47] <Volcane> tim|macbook: or maybe they're just some of those professional job seekers who have interview technique 100% down but then suck at the job :P | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:36:15] @ Quit: MrHeavy: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:36:59] <tim|macbook> Volcane: in that case they're very fast in taking up a profession that well :P and they made critical errors (like telling us the lowest salary they'd agree to... which was way lower than i'd feel comfortable in offering anyone...) | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:37:14] <fzzzt> doh! | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:37:24] <Volcane> ah :) yeah sounds like down on their luck freshly recently laid off ppl :( | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:37:42] <HarryCalahan> tim|macbook: pray they don't read the channel log | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:37:43] <fzzzt> sounds like two for the price of one to me | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:37:47] <fzzzt> lol | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:38:12] <tim|macbook> hehehe | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:38:14] <ctso> perhaps they're fresh off the boat | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:38:38] <tim|macbook> nah, not that kind of employer... i prefer to pay people what they're worth and rather not hire them if i think i cannot pay that | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:38:49] <fzzzt> cool | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:39:02] <tim|macbook> yeah, we're a little naive ourselves :P | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:39:03] <HarryCalahan> tim|macbook: brighton you said. let me think.... | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:39:09] <fzzzt> where is brighton? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:39:17] <fzzzt> for some reason i think thats in the uk | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:39:18] <HarryCalahan> somewhere cold and rainy. | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:39:33] * HarryCalahan looks out the window. nothing different | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:39:37] <tim|macbook> brighton? i didn't say brighton... | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:39:37] <fzzzt> heh | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:39:42] <ctso> .. lol | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:40:07] <HarryCalahan> tim|macbook: was it brighton? brighton at the sea? i was there once. | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:40:31] <plathrop> tim|macbook: I totally undersold myself when I moved to the West Coast. | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:40:48] <plathrop> asked for half what I could have gotten | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:41:03] <plathrop> thanks to someone like you I ended up with a salary that I could live on. | ||
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| [2009/06/16 11:41:37] <fzzzt> I was offered twice what I used to make so I took it heh. I suppose I could've gotten more... | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:41:42] <tim|macbook> heh :) so we're not the only ones who do not take advantage of a too-good-to-be-true offer ;-) | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:42:06] <tim|macbook> thing is, if you're coworkers are happy, they work better and happier... a happy worker is a happy employer. | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:42:12] <HarryCalahan> step one) what do i need for a living. step two) what are average sales on the market. step three) think what you are worth. add a margin. go for it. | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:42:13] <fzzzt> indeed | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:42:24] <tim|macbook> *if your coworkers | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:42:29] <fzzzt> which is why i'm advocating the 4 day work week | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:42:32] <fzzzt> :P~ | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:42:43] <JD> tim|macbook: can I have your castoffs? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:42:53] <tim|macbook> HarryCalahan: and make sure you know the lowest you're willing to go and stick to that | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:43:08] <tim|macbook> JD: sure, but can you use them, since they're in NL? :P | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:43:20] <JD> depends if they'l migrate to .uk | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:43:31] <greenmoss> so, facter: "err: Could not retrieve catalog: non-sh interpreters are not currently supported": http://pastie.org/513846 | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:43:40] <HarryCalahan> tim|macbook: yeah. i always got close to my initial request. | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:43:46] <tim|macbook> JD: hehehe wouldn't that be a downgrade? :P | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:43:47] <JD> HarryCalahan: brighton is never cold and wet | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:43:51] <f3ew> JD show willing to get work visa | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:44:13] <JD> f3ew: erm last time I looked the netherlands were in the EU | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:44:15] <greenmoss> this is the first run, on Ubuntu 9.04 | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:44:28] <f3ew> JD wasn't referring to the .nl folks :P | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:44:32] <HarryCalahan> JD: i was there three days and haven't seen the sun. But there is a quoute from braveheart: good scottish weather, rain is coming straight from above. | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:44:39] <greenmoss> facter 1.5.1, puppet 0.24.5 | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:44:50] <JD> HarryCalahan: it's currently very sunny and warm | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:45:11] <JD> everytime someone tells me they have blizzards, we have cloudless skies | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:45:30] <tim|macbook> HarryCalahan: yeah, since this is going to be our first employee, we have *no clue* what's a normal starting salary, so we were kind of hoping to find someone who is willing to work for the amount we had in mind out of his own accord... in my very limited (aka 2 people) experience, openess works well. | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:45:32] <Volcane> greenmoss: one of your facts must be doing something weird with exec | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:45:36] @ Quit: Innocenti: "leaving" | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:45:37] <ctso> NL = .. netherlands? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:45:51] <tim|macbook> ctso: aye | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:45:59] <HarryCalahan> but i extrapolate from my personal experience. i can't be wrong! (irony tags around this...) | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:46:37] <JD> tim|macbook: what would you be willing to work for if you were the level you are hiring for | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:46:44] <greenmoss> Volcane: the same set of facts work on the rest of my puppet nodes; how can I find out which one is choking? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:46:55] <greenmoss> --debug gives no further info | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:47:02] <Volcane> greenmoss: try --trace ? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:47:25] @ Quit: HarryCalahan: "where is the wizard" | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:47:27] <tim|macbook> i am the level i'm hiring for... and i work for less than they're asking, currently :( | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:47:54] <fzzzt> heh | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:48:13] <fzzzt> that doesn't sound right | ||
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| [2009/06/16 11:48:38] <JD> tim|macbook: may I suggest you ask for a raise? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:48:54] <tim|macbook> JD: I'm one of the owners. | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:49:03] <joe-mac1> tim|macbook: what area of US are you in/ | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:49:06] <ctso> tim|macbook then it should be easy =) | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:49:13] <greenmoss> Volcane: I don't see any of my facts in there? http://pastie.org/513855 | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:49:15] <tim|macbook> joe-mac1: none, I'm in NL | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:49:20] <joe-mac1> o, no clue then | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:49:27] <JD> tim|macbook: give yourself a payrise :) | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:49:51] <tim|macbook> JD:yeah, going to, soon ;-) after that, we're hiring the new people/person | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:49:56] <ctso> anyone here in the US, northeast? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:49:59] <joe-mac1> i know northeast operations is like 65-75K USD.. that's not junior and that's not senior though, and from my talks with you, you're kind of senior i think | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:50:05] <joe-mac1> ctso: i am in boston | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:50:45] <fzzzt> i'm in NY | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:50:52] <Volcane> greenmoss: same version facter on them all? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:50:59] <ctso> cool, im in philly | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:51:00] <JD> so anyone in the UK looking for a senior debian/ubuntu sysadmin in the gay capital of europe | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:51:05] <ctso> heh, 65-75K.. that's disappointing =( | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:51:20] <fzzzt> i make 63, half ops half dev/support | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:51:38] <tim|macbook> joe-mac1: thanks :) i think I'm senior too :) but it works differently if you own the company... the first few years you work for almost nothing... then you grow... and get some sort of a raise... but instead of talking about 3-5% raises, they start with 10%-25%... :) | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:51:41] <JD> that's more than I make, but then I can walk places | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:51:59] <greenmoss> Volcane: at least one of the working ones has an older facter (1.3.8), though I see the same warning in the source of both facter versions | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:51:59] <tim|macbook> JD: gay capital? you're in berlin? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:52:00] <fzzzt> i walk everywhere :) | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:52:06] <JD> tim|macbook: brighton | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:52:10] <Volcane> greenmoss: odd | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:52:19] <JD> tim|macbook: are you insulting the germans? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:52:21] <ctso> fzzzt: NYC? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:52:25] <fzzzt> no, ithaca | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:52:30] <fzzzt> cornell | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:52:31] <ctso> oh, cornell | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:52:51] <fzzzt> like, the opposite of nyc | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:52:51] <fzzzt> :P | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:52:55] <joe-mac1> i was gonna say, 63k in NYC is enough to live in a roach motel | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:52:56] <ctso> haha | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:53:02] <tim|macbook> JD: i wouldn't dare, but i think we consider berlin to be the gay capital... with their enormous gay pride event each year... not sure though, just repeating hearsay | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:53:08] <ctso> joe-mac1: hahahahahaha | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:53:15] <fzzzt> hehe | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:53:23] <fzzzt> i had a couple offers to move to nyc but i dont think i'd like to live there | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:53:29] <JD> tim|macbook: brighton's gay pride is the largest in the UK | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:54:01] <ctso> fzzzt: how's cornell? we just got a guy who grad'ed from there | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:54:03] <tim|macbook> ah, well, since you live there, you probably know best ;-) | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:54:12] <joe-mac1> meh, i don't mind boston cause it's a really, really small big city and i grew up 45 minutes north in one of the bigger 'cities' in mass, but NYC, i hate it. it's just too much. | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:54:43] <ctso> joe-mac1: good clam chowder | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:54:50] <ctso> joe-mac1: (and a good nba team :\) | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:54:51] <fzzzt> i went to school in nashua | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:55:02] <fzzzt> ctso, it's nice, i didn't go to school here though, but nice place to work | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:55:03] <tim|macbook> 65k per year... i'm thinking... "ok... so maybe we really are a bit too cheap..." | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:55:04] <joe-mac1> fzzzt: o really? i am from lowell | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:55:05] <JD> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_pride_parade doesn't mention brighton :( | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:55:09] <fzzzt> neat:) | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:55:17] <tim|macbook> until i notice you're talking about $... | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:55:28] <fzzzt> hah | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:55:43] <joe-mac1> i'd take 65k a year if A. it wasn't in the city, byut in the outskirts, and b. it was in like academia or somewhere where i could return to my shaggy clothes look | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:55:54] <joe-mac1> i am sort of junior too fyi | ||
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| [2009/06/16 11:56:08] <fzzzt> my boss regularly wears t-shirts and shorts...as do i | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:56:11] <fzzzt> :P | ||
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| [2009/06/16 11:56:17] <ctso> haha | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:56:24] <ctso> i used to wear a wifebeater and shorts | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:56:27] <greenmoss> Volcane: yep, seems to be caused by the new facter version; I downgraded to 1.3.8 and everything's running now | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:56:28] <ctso> then we hired our first woman | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:56:29] <ctso> =( | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:56:30] <fzzzt> heh i wouldn't go that far :) | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:56:32] <fzzzt> lol | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:56:46] <tim|macbook> applicant today was wearing a clean jeans and a jacket and i considered him overdressed... | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:57:00] * tim|macbook is not going to ask what a wifebeater is....... | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:57:07] <joe-mac1> it's an A shirt | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:57:13] <joe-mac1> that's the politically correct way to say it | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:57:27] <fzzzt> i work on a grant research project though, through the school. so my funding is guaranteed for 4 years, which is nice, but i'm not "really" a staff member (though i get the benefits) | ||
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| [2009/06/16 11:57:53] <fzzzt> probably going to start on my masters next semester | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:57:59] <fzzzt> for free! | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:58:07] <joe-mac1> i normally wear nice calvin klein slacks, designer shirts with fancy patterns, shiny shoes. generally like i have arrived for the pimp party. i've gotten used to it but sometimes i go against the dress code like today and sort of bum it up | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:58:07] <tim|macbook> cool | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:58:21] <joe-mac1> i am jealous... if only i could get the motivation to finish my bachelors lol | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:58:21] <hMz> i have a problem with cronjobs not being set on systems even though its visible in the state file | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:58:30] <hMz> can someone assist with debugging? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:58:42] <joe-mac1> hMz: are you using something like ubuntu jeos, or some minimal virtual machine OS that doesn't come with cron installed? | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:59:16] <ctso> fzzzt: that sounds awesome | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:59:47] <ctso> fzzzt: free stuff ftw | ||
| [2009/06/16 11:59:50] <joe-mac1> OT, but anyone here using apt-proxy who wants to commit suicide daily because of it, i just switched to approx and it really does 'rox' | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:00:25] <fzzzt> ctso: yeah, would be great. maybe i can get a ms in game design and get out of here :P but dont tell anyone i said that. | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:00:29] <hMz> joe-mac1: no, cron functions by itself | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:00:33] @ Quit: gaveen: Operation timed out | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:00:35] <hMz> joe-mac1: and it populates one cronjob | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:00:37] <hMz> just not the other 11 | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:00:40] <tim|macbook> joe-mac1: yeah, we switched from apt-proxy to approx about 18 months ago... never looked back... | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:00:46] <hMz> even though i can see it going through the class | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:00:51] <hMz> in debug/test | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:01:14] <ctso> fzzzt: lmao, do it... lol, my roomate's dream is to work for blizzard (on warcraft) | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:01:36] <JD> ctso: why not be a racing car driver or an astronaut? | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:01:50] <joe-mac1> hMz: can you pastie some relevant stuff, such as the output from a debug run, the listing of /var/spool/cron/crontabs before and after? | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:02:04] <ctso> JD: i don't want to die =( | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:02:04] <fzzzt> ctso: i was lucky too. they started a hiring freeze a day or two after i applied, so i just barely got considered at all :) i got laid off in november, hired in january | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:02:05] <joe-mac1> cause sys admins/op engs/ and game designers get all the wimmin | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:02:18] <JD> joe-mac1: tim|macbook: we just use debmirror :) | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:02:48] <JD> okay, time to go home | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:02:52] <JD> night all | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:02:57] <joe-mac1> JD: we're supposed to be doign a mirror at some point in the future, but currently apt-proxy was just so borked i had to do something immediatelty | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:02:58] <joe-mac1> see ya | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:03:00] <ctso> night | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:03:02] <tim|macbook> time to shut down my laptop and leave the train... | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:03:05] <tim|macbook> laterz all | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:03:08] <fzzzt> ctso: i wouldn't want to work on wow, but blizzard would be fun. my ideal is online games too, i like the social and dynamic systems nature of them...wow isn't great for that | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:03:22] <ctso> fzzzt: so what's your cup of tea? | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:03:25] <fzzzt> bye tim | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:03:55] <fzzzt> ctso: i'd like to help design a game that's dynamic, where the environment reacts to the players and the players affect the environment. | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:04:28] <ctso> blah, does anyone know why my gems aren't installing the bins (e.g. for rake) in /usr/bin ? symlinking them manually is bleh | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:04:45] <fzzzt> like instead of a quest like "go kill 10 snakes", have the snakes have breeding attributes, overrun a town, and you have to go deal with it, more organic than current games | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:04:50] <fzzzt> do they install elsewhere? /usr/local/bin? | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:05:11] <ctso> no, they're lame and just stay in /var/lib/gems/1.8/gems | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:05:16] <ctso> =( | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:05:17] <fzzzt> eww | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:05:47] <ctso> heh, have you played spore | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:05:47] <joe-mac1> that's sort of what oblivion and fallout are like | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:05:57] <fzzzt> i've seen spore, won't buy it though due to the drm | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:05:59] <ctso> isnt it supposed to be an "organic" game | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:06:00] <hMz> joe-mac1: there is no relevant output, unfortunately. It simply never shows the cron lines in debug output and the crontab doesnt change before or after | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:06:09] <fzzzt> yeah it is, it's pretty neat | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:06:10] <hMz> thats where i'm stuck, i have no clues on where to go now | ||
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| [2009/06/16 12:12:18] <joe-mac1> hMz: so, i thought the symptom was it does one cronjob but not the others? | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:12:23] <joe-mac1> can you pastie the manifest? | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:12:34] <hMz> i'll have to sanatize it but sure | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:12:46] <hMz> and that is the case | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:12:54] <hMz> it does one from an include and none of the others | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:13:05] <hMz> even though it goes through the class, you never see Cron output | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:13:09] <hMz> and the state file shows no synch time | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:13:53] <joe-mac1> hMz: have you tried puppetd -t from the node in question? | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:14:02] <joe-mac1> that'll ignore the cache and if there is an error tell you | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:14:09] <joe-mac1> whereas a regular -d run sometimes does not IME | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:14:16] <hMz> i'm running iwht -dvt | ||
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| [2009/06/16 12:14:32] <hMz> (and i realize -t implies -v but old habits are hard to break) | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:16:34] <delewis> hmm, so I've made some progress with fixing the crontab provider for AIX. | ||
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| [2009/06/16 12:17:51] <nickv> Hey all...I am interested in using puppet in our production environment...besides standard file updates on puppetd clients what else can puppet do? I was reading it can restart apache if a new conf file is delivered, but what else? | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:18:40] <Jenza> http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:20:24] <nickv> hmm link not working | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:21:00] <pastie> joe-mac1: http://pastie.org/513885 by hMz. | ||
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| [2009/06/16 12:21:35] <hMz> the names and paths have been changed to protect the innocent | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:21:48] <Jenza> Works fine for me | ||
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| [2009/06/16 12:23:12] <joe-mac1> nickv: link should work fine, besides maybe being slow (wiki is going to be upgraded at some point in the near future), and puppet can pertty much do everything | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:23:22] <joe-mac1> the *few* things that i don't do with puppet i do with capistrano | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:23:47] <hMz> joe-mac1: so none of the solaris stuff works, but the rest does | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:24:52] <joe-mac1> what kind of cron does solaris use? also, is $operatingsystem indeed solaris, or is it sunos? | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:25:11] <joe-mac1> you can inset debug statements like the notice() function or the fail() function in your manifests also hMz | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:26:43] <hMz> joe-mac1: when i run facter on the box it says solaris | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:26:51] <hMz> but ok | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:26:59] <hMz> i'll notice it up | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:27:17] <joe-mac1> yea throw some notice("You are in now in the solaris branch of the case statement") something like that | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:27:45] <hMz> i'm a fan of 1..N | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:27:45] <hMz> but sure :D | ||
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| [2009/06/16 12:29:21] <hMz> thanks | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:30:15] <joe-mac1> lol, yea just suggesting things | ||
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| [2009/06/16 12:34:38] <joe-mac1> you know what's nice about ubuntu > 8.04? they've got a sysctl.conf.d folder now, so you can put together snippets and override at your 99-local.conf | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:34:56] <joe-mac1> i wish th ey would backport that to LTS or something | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:35:02] <hacim> I've got a problem with a new module I'm working on. I have a file parameter: source => 'puppet://$servername/wordpress/htaccess_default', which gives this error: warning: Configuration could not be instantiated: Parameter source failed: Could not understand source puppet://$servername/wordpress/htaccess_default: the scheme puppet does not accept registry part: $servername (or bad hostname?) at /etc/puppet/modules/wordpress/manifests/init.pp:39 | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:35:04] <joe-mac1> i'd love to have that functionality on my systems | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:35:22] <hacim> i have other modules that are using the same source designation, and they are working | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:36:06] <joe-mac1> hacim: can you try taking out $servername and just try puppet:///wordpress/htaccess_default? | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:36:33] <joe-mac1> that'll at least rule otu the hostname being 'bad' somehow | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:37:03] * hacim tries | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:37:24] <Tonnerre> .oO("hostname -d" on Solaris) | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:38:14] <hMz> joe-mac1: so i've got notices around the cron statement all the way to the top of the class and its getting there | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:38:25] <hMz> and $operatingsystem is right | ||
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| [2009/06/16 12:41:13] <joe-mac1> hMz: take out the array of minutes for shits and grins | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:41:16] <joe-mac1> specify a single minute | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:42:05] <hacim> joe-mac1: yeah, removing that makes it work, odd | ||
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| [2009/06/16 12:42:22] <hacim> joe-mac1: I dont have any clue why the same source line doesn't have a problem elsewhere | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:42:23] <joe-mac1> hacim: ok, try specifying it as a string | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:42:31] <joe-mac1> gotta be the provider i'mt hinking | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:42:45] <joe-mac1> what version of puppet is on your node and master? | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:42:47] <hacim> uhhh | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:42:48] <hacim> yeah | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:42:53] <hacim> its because I used ' and not " | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:43:16] <joe-mac1> hacim: ? at which aprt | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:43:18] <joe-mac1> part8* | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:43:21] <joe-mac1> i fail typing | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:43:26] <joe-mac1> mavis beacon is calling | ||
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| [2009/06/16 12:48:05] <hacim> joe-mac1: my source line was source => 'puppet://$servername...' when it should have been puppet => "puppet://$servername" | ||
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| [2009/06/16 12:49:52] <joe-mac1> oh i had your issue confused with hMz for a second there | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:50:09] <joe-mac1> yea, that'll do it, good eye | ||
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| [2009/06/16 12:51:53] <hMz> hrm | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:52:00] <hMz> info: Did not match minute: ["9"] vs ["9", "24", "39", "55"] | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:52:08] <hMz> oh snaps | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:52:19] <hMz> its grepping for command | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:52:28] <hMz> and i had the old entries commented out for reference | ||
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| [2009/06/16 12:56:33] <joe-mac1> [ ] is still an array | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:56:34] <hMz> so, my bad! thanks joe! | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:56:47] <hMz> it made it an array | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:56:49] <joe-mac1> hMz: i'm not sure what you mean, and i'm curious, could you explain how you fixed it? | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:56:52] <hMz> in the manifest it just said '9' | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:56:59] <joe-mac1> o i c | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:57:13] <hMz> so when i was puppetizing hosts, i take the existing crontab and comment out all the cronjobs that are going to be in puppet | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:57:18] <hMz> so i can verify what gets set is what was there before | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:57:32] <hMz> well it looks like i had commented them out above the actual ones | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:57:40] <hMz> so i had a commented copy and a 'real running' copy | ||
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| [2009/06/16 12:57:48] <hMz> and it was matching the existing crontabs even though they didnt have puppet headers | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:57:51] <hMz> for them | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:58:04] <hMz> so i assume its grepping for so combination of time/command and matched what was 'live' | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:58:11] <hMz> vs what i expected from puppet | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:58:27] <joe-mac1> ooooo ok yea that's happened to me | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:58:38] <hMz> like on other platforms, where it will add another with a puppet header | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:58:40] <joe-mac1> you're liker "retro-puppeting" right? | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:58:42] <Volcane> hMz: ralsh cron | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:58:52] <Volcane> hMz: run that as root, shows you what cronjobs it would detect | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:58:59] <joe-mac1> like what i had to do when i started, puppetize a bunch of existing configs | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:59:00] <hMz> when i did that yesterday i got that error | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:59:05] <hMz> joe: that is what i'm doing | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:59:12] <hMz> i'm in an environment thats about 7 years old | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:59:19] <hMz> that started from aix/irix all the way through solaris to linux/osx | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:59:32] <hMz> so i've spent almost a year hand combing these boxes and puppetizing them | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:59:44] <Volcane> sux | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:59:50] <hMz> its ... a job :D | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:59:52] <hMz> it pays well | ||
| [2009/06/16 12:59:58] <hMz> and i consider this something i like to do | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:00:02] <hMz> (when paid right :P) | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:00:10] <Volcane> yeah also spent a long time converting legacy stuff, it really sux | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:00:18] <Volcane> at least those were already in some shitty config management system | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:00:20] <hMz> well i've had a lot of polictical bs | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:00:27] <Volcane> so there were referneces for what gets done | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:00:33] @ Quit: MattyM: "ta ta" | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:00:33] <hMz> and a lot of my issues have been that boxes were hand setup | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:00:35] <hMz> with no automated installers in some cases | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:00:40] <hMz> in others people were compiling modules and stuff | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:00:51] <hMz> so i've had to really figure out what the true similarities are and go from there | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:00:59] <hMz> i've reworked my puppet repo .. a dozen times already | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:01:06] <hMz> from the 1.0 days forward to 2.x | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:01:06] * plathrop has been considering writing a provider that uses the /etc/cron.d directories | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:01:09] <hMz> and integrating with ldap and what not | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:01:25] <Volcane> plathrop++ | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:01:25] <hMz> its been a journey | ||
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| [2009/06/16 13:01:37] <hMz> but way better than my previous CFEngine experiences | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:01:40] <hMz> so, i'm a happy camper | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:01:57] <Volcane> hMz: yeha I'm only really happy with my puppet layouts after like build number 5, busy slowly refactoring older ones i still have access to | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:02:26] <plathrop> Volcane: I've made a couple of false starts but gotten intimidated... | ||
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| [2009/06/16 13:02:31] <hMz> i just got to the point where other coworkers are helping me with stuff | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:02:32] <plathrop> My ruby-fu is weak | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:02:36] <hMz> and im embarassed of my manifests that still exist from way back | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:02:38] <hMz> last year | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:02:52] <Volcane> plathrop: my git foo is weak and i really cant be bothered with user hostile software :P | ||
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| [2009/06/16 13:09:05] <joe-mac1> if i have a ruby method and i want to capture the output of it, anyone know how i do that? | ||
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| [2009/06/16 13:11:05] <hMz> in ruby in general? | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:11:17] <hMz> in puppet, i've always made facts for that | ||
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| [2009/06/16 13:14:25] <Volcane> you can mess about with $stdout | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:16:29] <fzzzt> anyone know if its possible to add one of these additional/supplemental rhn channels through puppet? | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:17:01] <Volcane> joe-mac1: http://pastie.org/513983 something like that, might need tweaking but you get the idea | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:17:41] <joe-mac1> Volcane: i just got prodded by a couple different people at once, thanks for the link i will refer to it later | ||
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| [2009/06/16 13:33:25] <fzzzt> Can I have a class require another class, like ant require java, without a service{} or similar? | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:33:54] <hMz> yup | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:34:01] <hMz> you can do includes or inherits | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:34:09] <ctso> fzzzt: think you can also do require Class["name"] | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:34:13] <ctso> at least, i think volcane showed me that | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:34:14] <fzzzt> hmm | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:34:20] <fzzzt> true i can include it | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:34:35] <fzzzt> i'll try Class first though | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:34:46] <hMz> i actually think requireing a class is best | ||
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| [2009/06/16 13:37:22] <fzzzt> yeah that seems the best way | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:38:02] <hMz> my bad | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:38:05] <fzzzt> hrm nope | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:38:30] <fzzzt> Looks like it doesn't like require in the root of a class | ||
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| [2009/06/16 13:41:44] <fzzzt> include it is then | ||
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| [2009/06/16 13:52:54] <fzzzt> if i have a package { alias => java }, i should be able to do package { ant: requires => Package['java'] } right? | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:53:08] <Volcane> yeah | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:53:53] <fzzzt> oh ok i wasn't including java in the node | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:54:01] <ctso> fzzzt: did you say require Class doesn't work? | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:54:01] <Volcane> ah | ||
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| [2009/06/16 13:54:07] <fzzzt> ctso, correct | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:54:13] <Volcane> require class must work | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:54:18] <Volcane> if not, you're doing it wrong | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:54:19] <fzzzt> hmm | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:54:25] <fzzzt> that's entirely possible. | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:54:36] <Volcane> require => Class["another"] | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:54:45] <Volcane> assuming you're doing an include another | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:55:06] <fzzzt> yeah i didn't have the include | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:55:25] <fzzzt> i did a require package[java] within my ant package | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:55:49] <fzzzt> but i'm having issues with my ensure => $java_version | ||
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| [2009/06/16 13:56:19] <fzzzt> probably because $java_version = '1:1.6.0.14-1jpp.1.el5' | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:57:05] <Volcane> that looks ok at first glance | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:57:22] <fzzzt> Could not run Puppet configuration client: Parameter ensure failed: Invalid value "". Valid values are present, absent, purged, latest. Valid values match /./. at /etc/puppet/modules/java/manifests/init.pp:6 | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:57:32] <fzzzt> maybe its further up.. | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:57:39] <Volcane> well that says its not set at all | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:57:54] <fzzzt> http://pastebin.com/d56e71923 | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:57:58] <Volcane> or at least its blank | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:58:11] <fzzzt> yeah | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:58:49] <fzzzt> oops those numbers are from vi | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:58:53] <fzzzt> lol | ||
| [2009/06/16 13:59:07] <fzzzt> they aren't in the file | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:01:45] <justindossey> fzzt: have you tried ensure => "${java_version}", ? | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:02:04] <justindossey> I've found that puppet can be picky about quoting | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:02:05] <fzzzt> i tried w/quotes but not brackets, 1sec | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:02:57] <fzzzt> looks like {$java_version} worked | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:03:06] <fzzzt> er, "{$java_version}" | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:03:13] <Volcane> thats wrong | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:03:17] <Volcane> ${java_version} | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:03:43] <fzzzt> that didnt work | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:03:53] <fzzzt> i know {$var} works w/ruby | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:03:56] <Volcane> puts there info("Java version: ${java_version}") above your package{} call | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:03:59] <fzzzt> ok | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:04:12] <Volcane> #{var} works for ruby | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:04:14] <Volcane> but this isnt ruby | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:04:22] <Volcane> so totally unrelated | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:04:30] <fzzzt> hmm ok | ||
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| [2009/06/16 14:05:04] <justindossey> fzzt: if x = "abc" ; "{$x}" == "{abc}" so you won't ever get a match | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:06:13] <fzzzt> ok | ||
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| [2009/06/16 14:11:24] <fzzzt> info: Scope(Class[java]): Java version: | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:11:41] <Volcane> yeah so your variable just isnt visable where you think it is | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:11:45] <Volcane> where are you setting it? | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:11:48] <fzzzt> hmmm | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:11:56] <fzzzt> i'm not apparently! | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:12:06] <ctso> =) | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:12:15] <fzzzt> :) i think i know | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:12:24] <fzzzt> my wacky environment crap | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:12:40] <Volcane> well there are cases where with inheritance for example u think you're setting it but it doesnt work like you'd tink | ||
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| [2009/06/16 14:12:55] <fzzzt> you can't see a sibling class, right? i used to do that but gave up | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:13:01] <fzzzt> within a node.. | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:13:10] <Volcane> more or less | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:15:29] <fzzzt> This is my ignorant setup. In each node, I import either environments/production OR environments/testing. Both of those create an environment class, which sets variables for the env. I include environment, then set $var = $environment::var, so child classes can get to it... | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:15:40] <fzzzt> I'm sure there's a nicer way but that's the best I came up with | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:16:06] <Volcane> yeah its pretty grim | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:16:15] <Volcane> i use this http://nephilim.ml.org/~rip/puppet/extlookup.rb | ||
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| [2009/06/16 14:19:32] <fzzzt> interesting | ||
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| [2009/06/16 14:20:25] <justindossey> What is the proper way to add an alt name for the puppetmaster? | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:20:29] <justindossey> (to the SSL cert) | ||
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| [2009/06/16 14:25:24] <fzzzt> So with "inheritance", you can access the inherited values right? | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:25:36] <fzzzt> s/values/variables/ | ||
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| [2009/06/16 14:27:38] <justindossey> nm, figured it out | ||
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| [2009/06/16 14:33:22] <joe-mac> Volcane: i think i may have asked you this before, what dop you use for log aggregation, splunk? | ||
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| [2009/06/16 14:36:58] <fzzzt> hmmm IT job open in hawaii | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:43:09] <joe-mac> lol, it's not really the best market to make a dramatic change | ||
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| [2009/06/16 14:45:42] <fzzzt> great, inheritance works for my env stuff. i wonder what i did wrong before...oh well | ||
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| [2009/06/16 14:51:59] <tim|imac> !seen davids | ||
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| [2009/06/16 14:52:04] <tim|imac> hm | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:52:19] <Volcane> joe-mac: erm, i just log to a central syslog box and use phpsyslog or whatever, i try not to rely on syslogs cos its such a bitch to process/alert/etc | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:52:42] <Volcane> joe-mac: like one client site logs around 15k lines per second, its not even worth trying to do anytyhing with that | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:52:47] <joe-mac> i just want my stuff in a central spot when something goes wrong that i can browse multiple things | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:52:49] <joe-mac> WOW | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:52:54] <joe-mac> way more data thani have lol | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:53:23] <Volcane> on a site with a less retarded logging setup i do this | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:53:29] <Volcane> - send all syslogs to loghost | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:53:47] <Volcane> - have a process that tails a combined log and look for patterns, then parse, summarise, colorise etc | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:53:54] <Volcane> - it puts the messages on a activemq message bus | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:54:15] <Volcane> so when i care, i just fire up a listener on a topic on the bus | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:54:22] <Volcane> http://nephilim.ml.org/~rip/logs.png | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:54:39] <Volcane> open client to the amq server, subscribe to the topic get the summarise, colorised logs | ||
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| [2009/06/16 14:54:53] <Volcane> turn off filtering and get the full stream, turn filtering off and get the filtered stream | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:56:11] <Volcane> but this only makes sense if you're not doing large volume | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:56:38] <Volcane> generally i just have a terminal showing the sanitized stream on my desktop and keep an eye out - but really nothing that actually matters will get in my logs | ||
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| [2009/06/16 14:58:29] <zirpu> is amqp really a message bus, or a message passing queue? | ||
| [2009/06/16 14:59:03] <Volcane> apache active mq? | ||
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| [2009/06/16 14:59:40] <zirpu> any of the amqp servers. | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:00:07] <zirpu> i think of things liks 0mq and just a queuing service, but maybe i'm stuck on that 'queue' word. :-) | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:00:08] <Volcane> ah donno about amqp ones, doubt activemq speaks that | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:00:21] <Volcane> active mq has 2 main modes | ||
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| [2009/06/16 15:00:26] <zirpu> there's also 'spread', but it's not so useful in my experience. | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:00:38] <Volcane> broadcast to a 'topic' if you're there you get the stream of stuff if you're not thats your loss they wont wait around | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:00:53] <Volcane> and then there are queues where if theres no consumers the queues will grow till a consumer comes | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:01:06] <zirpu> ah, i was just about to ask about that. | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:01:23] <Volcane> activemq speaks all sorts of protocols, XMPP, Stomp, its own protocol, udp, tcp and all sorts | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:01:33] <Volcane> JMS and also some embedded java modes etc | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:01:44] <zirpu> we have apache logs and application logs and i'd like to stream them to a central log collection host. i might look into the amqp servers. | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:01:45] <Volcane> you can cluster them and they can persist messages to disk between runs etc | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:02:25] <Volcane> zirpu: yeah common hassle, theres the thing built on spread, but i wouldnt run spread (again) busy moving all my stuff to amq | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:02:29] <zirpu> log processing is such a pita. damn things keep growing. | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:03:02] <Volcane> i wrote like a little app server type thing for apps on the message bus and it hosts them, manage them etc, i just write small bits of logic | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:03:23] <zirpu> lunch time, bbl. | ||
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| [2009/06/16 15:13:41] <fzzzt> man i wish ignore were more flexible | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:14:03] <fzzzt> ls | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:14:05] <fzzzt> oops | ||
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| [2009/06/16 15:18:45] <plathrop> Volcane: http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/1409 | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:18:52] <plathrop> Volcane: That's the problem I had yesterday | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:19:09] <plathrop> I think | ||
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| [2009/06/16 15:24:17] <fzzzt> I got one of these: http://usb.brando.com.hk/usb-microsd-hc-card-reader-with-easy-eject_p00933c031d015.html it rocks | ||
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| [2009/06/16 15:31:07] <joe-mac> Volcane: that thing you have looks nice | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:31:17] <joe-mac> no i am not hitting on you | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:31:18] <joe-mac> rofl | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:31:22] <fzzzt> hah | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:31:26] <joe-mac> i mean the log thing | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:31:31] <fzzzt> ... | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:31:35] <joe-mac> o shit | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:31:40] <joe-mac> it just gets worse and worse with the innuendo | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:31:46] <fzzzt> you cannot escape | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:31:51] <joe-mac> guess not | ||
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| [2009/06/16 15:34:08] <nasrat_> joe-mac: thanks for the patch, but I've asked you to rediff against the tree I'm working on for that bug | ||
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| [2009/06/16 15:37:29] <joe-mac> k cool, i'll do it from home as soon as i get the chance... should probably keep that in a common place so i can work on it here sometimes | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:39:06] <joe-mac> nasrat_: i'm sort of a git-noob, is there one easy command i can run in my working directory that will give me your branch? or should i just do a clone somewhere else and paste in my changes? | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:40:21] <nasrat_> joe-mac: sure | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:40:23] <nasrat_> one sec | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:41:13] <nasrat_> git remote add pnasrat git://github.com/pnasrat/facter.git | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:41:23] <nasrat_> git fetch pnasrat | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:41:55] <nasrat_> git checkout -t -b tickets/master/2292 pnasrat/tickets/master/2292 | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:41:58] @ Quit: tim|macbook: | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:42:00] <nasrat_> that should do it | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:42:11] @ Quit: mikepea: | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:42:13] <nasrat_> first two add my repo so you can refer to it | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:42:24] <nasrat_> the third one creates a branch based off my one | ||
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| [2009/06/16 15:42:31] <nasrat_> this doesn't change your master | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:42:41] <nasrat_> so to get back to that git checkout master | ||
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| [2009/06/16 15:48:24] <joe-mac> it's like hit branch <whatever> at th at point right? | ||
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| [2009/06/16 15:48:57] <bakins> I have a strange issue iside of vserver contexts. We set some stuff based on ipaddress using a parser function, but sometimes it just isn't working. | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:49:53] <bakins> basically we use ipaddresses to figure out what datacenter a serevr is in in our function we do ipaddress = lookupvar('ipaddress') and use that and some yaml to spit out a location: $datacenter = datacenter() | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:50:55] <bakins> but, $datacenter doesn't seem to always get set any wierdness to look out for inside a vserver? | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:51:08] <joe-mac> is that a fact or a variable? | ||
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| [2009/06/16 15:51:29] <bakins> joe-mac: you talking to bakins? | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:52:06] <joe-mac> bakins: yea i'm talkin' to bakins! | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:52:08] <joe-mac> lol | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:52:43] <bakins> joe-mac: ipaddress is a standard fact, $datacenter is a variable set first thing in site.pp via our parser function | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:53:11] <joe-mac> in your site.pp? that's normally not the place to set variables like that. can you paste your site.pp? | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:53:21] <joe-mac> pastie i mean, pastie.org | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:54:13] <bakins> http://pastie.org/514170 | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:54:33] <bakins> we set various stuff based on what datacenter and network a serevr is on | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:54:48] <bakins> we had a chicken and egg problem when we did it as a fact on the clients | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:56:23] <bakins> bcs a client doesn't know what datacenter it's in on first pupept run, for example | ||
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| [2009/06/16 15:57:26] <bakins> and our datacenter functionion just uses some yaml and the clients ipaddress to figure out what datacenter a client is in | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:57:28] <joe-mac> hey nasrat thanks emailing myself those instructions now | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:58:28] <joe-mac> bakins: that's a one time deal though, it gets set and that' | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:58:29] <joe-mac> s that | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:58:39] <bakins> correct | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:59:07] <bakins> strange thing is that in some classes datacenter is unset but in others it's set | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:59:15] <joe-mac> i'm not sure the site.pp is loaded evrytime i mean | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:59:19] <bakins> ahh | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:59:24] <joe-mac> i do a similar thing as you | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:59:38] <bakins> I make no suggestion I', doing it the right way | ||
| [2009/06/16 15:59:40] <joe-mac> except i have a class called common::location that looks up some stuff and sets it, like trusted networks etc | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:00:00] <joe-mac> that might be why | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:00:02] <bakins> so you just reference it as $common::location | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:00:12] <bakins> in your templates and other classes | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:00:18] <joe-mac> no, i have an external function that Volcane shared with me, and i look up values just like that | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:00:21] <bakins> you always make sure common is include first?? | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:00:23] <joe-mac> yea | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:00:31] <joe-mac> common is part of my basenode_tmpl class | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:00:54] <bakins> so, if I wrap it in a class and include it, it should be "reread" everytime?? | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:00:57] <joe-mac> which gets included in like all nodes, except openbsd nodes because there is such a difference in pretty much everything they get a obsd_basenode_tmpl and a common::openbsd | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:01:19] <joe-mac> one for each node, yea, i'm just speculating that that's the problem, most site.pp's are pretty lean and the lookups like that are done in classes | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:01:43] <joe-mac> bakins: i will pastie you my location class | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:01:54] <bakins> joe-mac: thanks | ||
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| [2009/06/16 16:02:42] <joe-mac> http://pastie.org/514187 | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:03:44] <bakins> ahh, that makes sense. I'll move these globas into a common class or something | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:05:37] <joe-mac> bakins: i'm honestly surprised that that ever got the rigth data center for you | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:05:46] <bakins> me too now that I look at it | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:05:51] <joe-mac> i thought site.pp was parsed once, and if it changes, reparsed | ||
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| [2009/06/16 16:06:26] <bakins> yeah, we probably just got lucky since we don't depend on those variables very much | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:06:30] <bakins> yet | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:07:36] <joe-mac> o i c | ||
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| [2009/06/16 16:39:23] <bakins> joe-mac: in your example, you just refere to variables in other clasees like: $common::location::nameservers correct? | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:39:26] <fzzzt> Anyone know how the yum stuff works? I can't seem to install a package... | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:39:42] <fzzzt> Trying to install java-1.6.0-sun | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:41:34] <jrojas> package { "java": ensure => installed, provider => yum; } | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:41:42] <jrojas> as long as your repos are setup | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:41:48] <fzzzt> that installs openjdk java, not sun | ||
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| [2009/06/16 16:51:27] <jrojas> package { "java": ensure => "1.6.0-sun", provider => yum; } | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:53:06] <fzzzt> tried that too | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:53:12] <fzzzt> i think i figured it out though | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:53:20] <jrojas> then the problem may be with your repo. | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:53:37] <fzzzt> the version given by yum has extra chars on it | ||
| [2009/06/16 16:54:54] <fzzzt> had a 1:1.6.0 but it wants 1.6.0 | ||
| [2009/06/16 17:02:19] <Volcane> joe-mac: :) its pretty sweet but quite heavy on code cos logs are so different from each other that theres a bit of ruby for each type i am generally interested in | ||
| [2009/06/16 17:02:34] <Volcane> so not exactly heavy on reusability | ||
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| [2009/06/16 17:13:28] <fzzzt> Is the proper way to ignore multiple recursed directories to use multiple ignore lines, or an array or something else? | ||
| [2009/06/16 17:16:09] * Volcane avoid recursive copies | ||
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| [2009/06/16 17:23:11] <fzzzt> hmmmmmm... http://usb.brando.com.hk/portable-multi-purpose-solar-charger-20-000mah-_p00770c035d015.html | ||
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| [2009/06/16 17:46:23] <schwifty> hey guys, I'm having trouble setting puppet up on leopard from macports | ||
| [2009/06/16 17:46:26] <schwifty> Ruby on darwin is broken; puppetmaster will not set its UID to 'puppet' and must run as root" | ||
| [2009/06/16 17:47:17] <schwifty> http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users/browse_thread/thread/1292d5c99abde67a/eadaa41ec0a76a46?#eadaa41ec0a76a46 | ||
| [2009/06/16 17:47:42] <schwifty> I am basically at the same point that rusty myers was at.. and he said the fine folks in the IRC channel helped him :) | ||
| [2009/06/16 17:48:10] <Volcane> best hope is probably asking nigel who is hee somwhere | ||
| [2009/06/16 17:49:43] <schwifty> ah well, I'm still sorta poking around treading water until the book gets here | ||
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| [2009/06/16 17:53:27] <jrojas> if you specify --tags a,b,c will it run the tags in order of specification? | ||
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| [2009/06/16 17:55:55] <nasrat> schwifty: nigelk uses these https://sites.google.com/a/explanatorygap.net/puppet/ | ||
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| [2009/06/16 17:58:40] <schwifty> yeah, those seem to be current with the macports packages | ||
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| [2009/06/16 18:31:27] <dixond> anyone using puppet to manage Perl CPAN modules? | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:33:17] <Volcane> i make packages of them | ||
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| [2009/06/16 18:41:59] <joe-mac> god i can't wait til .25 strictly to rid these stupid fileserver timeouts | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:42:24] <Volcane> joe-mac: lots of recurse or tons of clients? | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:42:28] <joe-mac> nope | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:42:37] <joe-mac> just recurse on a directorty that has a couple large files in it | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:42:44] <joe-mac> a couple 70 or so meg deb packages | ||
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| [2009/06/16 18:42:58] <joe-mac> i think it runs out of ram most likely as it describes bytes with xml tags or some stupid shit lol | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:43:02] <Volcane> ah why would you do that? | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:43:21] <Volcane> (copy debs) | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:43:30] <joe-mac> i put them there for completeness really | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:43:51] <joe-mac> i rsync the directory otu byut i kinda put like, everything in the puppet repo so if ww3 hits i have one infrastructure repo to check out and rebuild everything | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:44:02] <Volcane> heh well if they're causing you all these problems then just dont do it and use a apt repo | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:44:08] <joe-mac> it is an apt repo | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:44:09] <joe-mac> that's the thing | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:44:22] <joe-mac> when i add packages there i want the apt repo automagically updted. right now the directories should match | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:44:29] <Volcane> you manage the contents of the apt repo with puppet? | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:44:30] <Volcane> ah | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:44:32] <joe-mac> it's actually causing ram to fill up without even describing the packages | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:44:36] <joe-mac> i mean | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:44:38] <joe-mac> transferring** | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:44:52] <joe-mac> idk why, should just md5, realize they're the same, and move on | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:44:58] <Volcane> heh | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:49:19] @ Quit: bakins: | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:50:16] <gebi> reminde me of my last try distributing my eclipse 3.4 .debs *g* | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:50:48] <gebi> in the end i've just put this damn pice of software on nfs | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:51:49] <Volcane> yeah i think puppets there to manage maybe the apache config for the repo, and whatever other configs it needs but not the content | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:52:14] <Volcane> like you dont check in your mysql data files into puppet and file{} them out | ||
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| [2009/06/16 18:53:10] <gebi> like you don't check in the lastest blockbuster dvd rip into svn to get it to your peers | ||
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| [2009/06/16 18:54:04] <joe-mac> lol, gebi speak for yourself | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:56:10] <gebi> oh yea, >100GB svn repos are no exception | ||
| [2009/06/16 18:57:54] <dixond> gebi: wait, what, you *don't* do that?? ;) | ||
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| [2009/06/16 19:04:15] <joe-mac> alright i am going home | ||
| [2009/06/16 19:04:19] <joe-mac> bye guys | ||
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| [2009/06/16 19:14:37] <dixond> cpan == evil. | ||
| [2009/06/16 19:14:40] <dixond> *sighs* | ||
| [2009/06/16 19:14:55] <joe-mac> mehh, at least != gem | ||
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| [2009/06/16 19:18:54] <Volcane> http://search.cpan.org/dist/CPANPLUS/ <-- makes cpan junk into all sorts of packages | ||
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| [2009/06/16 19:55:54] <justindossey> has anyone heard of a backup browser for filebuckets? I'm thinking a web app that lets you see the different versions of files that have been replaced | ||
| [2009/06/16 19:55:59] <justindossey> ideally in a tree-like view | ||
| [2009/06/16 19:56:12] <joe-mac> justindossey: i think the new version is going to have it | ||
| [2009/06/16 19:56:20] <joe-mac> from CLI though | ||
| [2009/06/16 19:56:34] <justindossey> joe-mac: that's great | ||
| [2009/06/16 19:56:39] <joe-mac> puppet is going to be so freaking slick by 1.0 | ||
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| [2009/06/16 20:00:50] <joe-mac> hey Volcane, i'm trying out splunk right now, it's a little too shiny for me. is your activemq thing open sourced? | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:01:37] <joe-mac> if not, i think you should consider releasing that and making money off ads on your site or something. centralized logging seems to be something a lot of people want, but splunk is a littel myuch for me, there's so much shit going on on the screen that i might have a seizure | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:01:51] <joe-mac> i can't imagine a lot of unix guys like this | ||
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| [2009/06/16 20:03:51] <flashn> splunk is nice but damn expensive | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:04:10] <flashn> doesnt scale well >:P | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:04:14] <joe-mac> i'm looking at six hosts through syslog that barely even do anything | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:04:28] <Guest16634> we have splunk at my org.. have for a couple yrs | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:04:32] @ Guest16634 is now known as sz | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:04:35] <joe-mac> what do you think sz | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:05:02] @ sz is now known as Guest29518 | ||
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| [2009/06/16 20:05:10] <joe-mac> Volcane wrote somlething that looked pretty uber | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:05:25] <Guest29518> it has potential. i look forward to them shipping some functional apps on top of it | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:05:33] <flashn> yeah? | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:05:51] <Guest29518> it's a bit of a geeks toy in some regards | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:05:54] <joe-mac> yea, he is a consultant and manages lots of heterogenous machines | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:06:09] <joe-mac> and wrote something with activemq to like queue up logging and only view it when he needs to | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:06:15] <joe-mac> it looked nice from his screenshots, shell ap | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:06:17] <joe-mac> app* | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:06:30] <joe-mac> i'm all about jersey nix programs | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:07:05] <Guest29518> joe-mac: splunk has a cli and an api, and a pretty sophisticated language of its own | ||
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| [2009/06/16 20:07:12] <joe-mac> really? | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:07:13] <joe-mac> interesting | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:07:24] <flashn> ze enterprise | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:07:29] @ Guest29518 is now known as sz--- | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:07:39] <joe-mac> yea i have the gfree one while i am piloting it | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:07:44] <joe-mac> sz, wtf are you doing right now? | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:07:51] <joe-mac> are you on tor ors omething? | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:08:00] <flashn> adding a penis onto his nickname | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:08:06] <sz---> freenode won't let me keep my nickname as sz | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:08:07] <sz---> heh | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:08:09] @ sz--- is now known as sz_ | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:08:09] <sz_> sorry | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:08:13] <joe-mac> lol | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:08:52] <sz_> i'm trying to use the blastwave provider on solaris.. | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:09:03] <sz_> puppet claims my sudo package was installd but it has not been | ||
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| [2009/06/16 20:09:16] @ plathrop is now known as plathrop-away | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:09:20] <sz_> i googled and saw some claims that the blastwave provider is broken.. any truth to that? | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:09:20] <joe-mac> sz_: i think you're lying | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:09:25] <joe-mac> lol, just kidding | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:09:29] <joe-mac> idk, don't use solaris | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:09:49] <joe-mac> gonna have to install it at home though, i'd like to start fixing bugs and testing things | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:12:16] <joe-mac> i don't use solaris i meant** | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:12:27] <joe-mac> i used to use it on my sparc desktops | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:12:36] <joe-mac> now i use crappy intel consumer hardware, that i want to die | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:18:58] <joe-mac> POOF POOF, this thing on? | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:19:07] <joe-mac> sz_: yuo still going at it? | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:19:11] <sz_> yeah | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:19:22] <joe-mac> that sucks, i'd test it for ya, but i got nothing here | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:19:24] <joe-mac> i | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:19:31] <joe-mac> m lucky i even have a worjkstation at work | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:19:36] <sz_> haha | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:19:40] <sz_> things that tight there? :) | ||
| [2009/06/16 20:19:55] <joe-mac> mehh, for my dept. yea | ||
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| [2009/06/16 20:20:05] <joe-mac> money is spent elsewhere, marketing etc | ||
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| [2009/06/16 20:27:17] <joe-mac> alright, now i am really out of here, see ya guys | ||
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| [2009/06/16 21:33:34] <dyarnell> would anyone know where I should look to find the source to this problem | ||
| [2009/06/16 21:33:35] <dyarnell> err: string contains null byte on node | ||
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| [2009/06/16 21:44:07] <hMz> hey is anywhere familiar with puppet and it ignoring confdir | ||
| [2009/06/16 21:44:19] <hMz> in 0.22.4? | ||
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| [2009/06/16 22:43:08] <hMz> no? | ||
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| [2009/06/16 23:20:18] <zirpu> upgrade. | ||
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