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| [2009/05/19 00:29:26] <nevyn> hi all | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:30:43] <nevyn> I've got a problem with a file resource on puppet 0.23.2 | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:33:08] <nevyn> err: //File[/root]: Failed to retrieve current state of resource: Could not find group sys | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:33:11] <nevyn> err: //File[/root]: Failed to retrieve current state of resource: Could not find group sys | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:34:13] <nevyn> however ralsh file "/root" gives the right response | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:35:55] <nevyn> here's the problem I want to specify that the group sys should own the /root folder but I don't want to puppet manage the sys group | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:36:30] <nevyn> and while I know it's almost always gid 3 it's not good enough for me to say it always IS gid 3 | ||
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| [2009/05/19 00:42:29] <jamesturnbull> nevyn: okay that's an ANCIENT version of Puppet | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:42:52] <jamesturnbull> nevyn: I can almost guarantee that's a bug | ||
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| [2009/05/19 00:45:45] <PaulWay> So what's the standard place for certificates then? | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:46:08] <PaulWay> I've been using the EPEL RPMs, so I'd like to know in case we have to deploy Puppet on any other platforms. | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:46:23] <PaulWay> (We don't manage the puppet config from inside Puppet at this stage...) | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:49:12] <jamesturnbull> PaulWay: the default is $confdir/ssl - which is usually /etc/puppet/ssl | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:51:45] <Djelibeybi> jamesturnbull: however, the RPMs use /var/lib/puppet | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:52:57] <PaulWay> Righto. | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:52:58] <PaulWay> Ta. | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:54:06] <nevyn> jamesturnbull: I know it's ancient... | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:54:52] <jamesturnbull> nevyn: my recommendation is upgrade | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:55:36] <nevyn> Sigh.. I know that's the right answer.. really. | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:56:14] <nevyn> I've got to upgrade the puppetd's and puppetmasters in step don't I... | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:57:02] <jamesturnbull> nevyn: masters first | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:57:05] <jamesturnbull> nevyn: then clients | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:57:14] <jamesturnbull> nevyn: but if the jump in version is too big | ||
| [2009/05/19 00:57:22] <jamesturnbull> nevyn: then your clients won't talk to the new master | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:02:52] <nevyn> :( | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:03:05] <nevyn> well it's got to be done before it get's any bigger I guess | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:04:53] <Cuchulain> hola nevyn | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:05:03] <nevyn> jamesturnbull: any goss on windows status one of our team is looking at tools for re-deving the windows SSOE | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:05:24] <nevyn> one tool to rule them all would make us happy. | ||
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| [2009/05/19 01:12:45] <nevyn> hey Cuchulain | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:12:49] <nevyn> how't things. | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:15:18] <nevyn> jamesturnbull: so what do people do for solaris use gary's packages or just build from source? building from source just feels dirty to me... | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:17:29] <Cuchulain> :) | ||
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| [2009/05/19 01:24:49] <ohadlevy> nevyn: we uses gray's build scripts but built it ourselfs | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:25:11] <nevyn> hrm using gary's build script might be cool | ||
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| [2009/05/19 01:37:29] <jamesturnbull> nevyn: no opinion - I don't build for Solaris | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:37:46] <jamesturnbull> nevyn: but the channel seems to like Gary's scripts :) | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:38:27] <nevyn> :) | ||
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| [2009/05/19 01:42:12] <nevyn> so does the puppet faq still represent the current status of windows puppet development? | ||
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| [2009/05/19 01:44:29] <jamesturnbull> nevyn: did you see the patch on the -dev list? | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:44:44] <nevyn> no... | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:45:03] <jamesturnbull> nevyn: well someone has submited a baseline windows port | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:45:37] <nevyn> has it been accepted or is it still being discussed? | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:46:57] <jamesturnbull> nevyn: still review but hopefully in 0.25.0 | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:48:39] <nevyn> thanks that's what I wanted to know. | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:49:12] <nevyn> so it's only user and group resources right this second right? | ||
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| [2009/05/19 01:50:50] <jamesturnbull> nevyn: yes but once the basics are in then obviously it's other slather on types/providers | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:50:55] <f3ew> nevyn, I believe Joel is writing the tests for the file types | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:51:00] <f3ew> and ACLs | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:51:09] <f3ew> ACLs are a bit complex, apparently | ||
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| [2009/05/19 01:52:54] <jamesturnbull> f3ew: oh I just emaile Joel to ask how he was going - stil hoping to drop his code into beta2 | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:53:30] <nevyn> jamesturnbull: other/open? | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:54:06] <nevyn> f3ew: Acl's have a couple of very nasty properties. | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:54:48] <f3ew> nevyn, it was a question of expressing them though | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:55:13] <nevyn> f3ew: basically because of the deny overrides rule. and because groups can be member's of groups actually working out who has access to what is horrific particularly if any deny entries have been used in lists | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:55:20] <nevyn> f3ew: yeah I get that. | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:55:30] <nevyn> modeling ACLS in something agnostic would be pain | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:55:47] <nevyn> but once we've got acl's modeld we can make a posixACL provider on unix :) | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:55:59] <f3ew> Though I believe that similar limitations would happen on the selinux side | ||
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| [2009/05/19 01:56:11] <f3ew> There's a selinux provider, IIRC | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:57:00] <jamesturnbull> f3ew: there is indeed | ||
| [2009/05/19 01:57:22] <nevyn> modelling an ACL generally is kinda tricky. | ||
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| [2009/05/19 02:33:31] <FiXion> anyone know if I can do "if in class".. ? | ||
| [2009/05/19 02:34:02] <FiXion> I need to set a certain variable - depending on what class the node is in | ||
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| [2009/05/19 02:36:56] <FiXion> or actually.. what node it is in. | ||
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| [2009/05/19 02:42:42] <ohadlevy> FixIion: sure | ||
| [2009/05/19 02:42:45] <ohadlevy> did you try? | ||
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| [2009/05/19 02:56:05] <FiXion> ohadlevy: no I don't really know what I would write to try | ||
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| [2009/05/19 02:56:37] <FiXion> so if it's possible I just need to know the syntax.. :) | ||
| [2009/05/19 02:56:51] <FiXion> couldn't find an example in the wiki.. | ||
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| [2009/05/19 03:02:17] <ohadlevy> look at the language tutorial | ||
| [2009/05/19 03:03:06] <jamesturnbull> FiXion: can you explain what exactly you're trying to do? Set a variable based on - if a class is included in a node? | ||
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| [2009/05/19 03:59:25] <phantez> does anyone know the function Transaction::evaluate() ? | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:06:21] <FiXion> jamesturnbull: all my nodes inherit some "central nodes" with names like "dbserver","webserver" etc. | ||
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| [2009/05/19 04:07:01] <FiXion> I want my (nagios module in this case) to set a certain variable (blamenrpe in this case) to 1 - IF the node is in the "central node" called dbserver | ||
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| [2009/05/19 04:10:10] <ohadlevy> Fixion: is it a variable? | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:10:12] <ohadlevy> you can just do | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:10:32] <ohadlevy> if $myvar == "central node" { include someclass } | ||
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| [2009/05/19 04:16:04] <FiXion> FYI: just had a case where puppet removed sendmail packages but the sendmail MTA is still running (ubuntu 8.04) :( | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:16:29] <FiXion> ohadlevy: it's not a variable.. but that could be a solution. | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:16:41] <FiXion> but my dbserver node inherits from basenode | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:17:03] <FiXion> and f.ex. dbmaster inherits from dbserver | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:17:24] <FiXion> if I - in dbserver set: nodeclass=dbserver | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:17:26] <Volcane> node dbserver { $role = "dbserver } | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:17:27] <Volcane> etc | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:17:38] <FiXion> will hosts that inherit dbmaster - have nodeclass=dbserver ? | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:17:48] <FiXion> role=dbserver | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:17:54] <FiXion> s/nodeclass/role/ | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:17:59] <Volcane> yes | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:18:07] <FiXion> ok - thanks. I'll solve it that way then. | ||
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| [2009/05/19 04:22:27] <FiXion> hmm. dbserver seems to not be defined in basenode even though it is inherited. (which I belive is how it's supposed to work) | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:22:39] <FiXion> my problem is that my dbserver node inherits from basenode | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:22:55] <FiXion> so I have central place for common things | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:23:13] <FiXion> should I change node basenode = class basenode | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:23:19] <FiXion> and then include it, instead of inheriting it? | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:23:38] <FiXion> nagios (which is the module that needs the $role in this case) is included in the basenode | ||
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| [2009/05/19 04:23:46] <Volcane> ah | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:23:48] <Volcane> then it wont work | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:24:06] <Volcane> node inheritance should just be removed as a feature | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:24:12] <FiXion> :) | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:24:31] <FiXion> would it amount to the same if I just change node basenode to a class and include it ? | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:24:44] <Volcane> see http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/CommonMisconceptions | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:25:13] <FiXion> yes yes - I get why it won't work | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:25:27] <FiXion> I also noted this.. | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:25:37] <ohadlevy> Volcane: I support it, no need for node inheritance at all, just use plain classes | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:25:49] <Volcane> yup, and they actually work :) | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:25:55] <Volcane> well, work in a sane way | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:26:08] <ohadlevy> yeah, the only problem with inhertiance is variables | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:26:35] <Volcane> and if you do use it, you'll find it pretty tough to ever use a classifier | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:32:06] <FiXion> changing basenode to a class worked :) | ||
| [2009/05/19 04:32:09] <FiXion> thank you | ||
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| [2009/05/19 05:22:07] <monzie> Hello | ||
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| [2009/05/19 05:22:15] <monzie> can someone give me an example for using the service resource type? | ||
| [2009/05/19 05:22:24] <monzie> a site.pp or a manifest would do just fine.... | ||
| [2009/05/19 05:24:17] <HarryCalahan> monzie: you might want to read wiki:LanguageTutorial | ||
| [2009/05/19 05:24:23] <gepetto> HarryCalahan: monzie: wiki:LanguageTutorial is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/LanguageTutorial | ||
| [2009/05/19 05:24:31] <HarryCalahan> examples are in there | ||
| [2009/05/19 05:25:30] <monzie> gepetto / HarryCalahan : I have read that.. can you just paste me a site.pp which uses..like the debian or the smf provider.. I just want to have a look at how you guys use the "start' , "status' etc.... | ||
| [2009/05/19 05:26:42] <HarryCalahan> http://pastie.org/482574 | ||
| [2009/05/19 05:27:09] <HarryCalahan> and gepetto is a bot. | ||
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| [2009/05/19 05:58:44] <verwilst> notice: //system::essentials/apt::client/Cron[apt-update]/hour: defined 'hour' as '*' <- I get this on every run | ||
| [2009/05/19 05:58:47] <verwilst> any ideas? | ||
| [2009/05/19 06:03:25] <Volcane> verwilst: harless, you could try specifically setting hour => "*" not sure if it will help | ||
| [2009/05/19 06:05:21] <verwilst> Volcane: that's what i have | ||
| [2009/05/19 06:05:32] <Volcane> then the message can be ignored | ||
| [2009/05/19 06:06:22] <verwilst> Volcane: myeah but it still bothers me :D | ||
| [2009/05/19 06:06:37] <Volcane> yeah, open a ticket for a fix, it annoys me too :) | ||
| [2009/05/19 06:06:45] <verwilst> same with these lines: err: /File[/var/lib/puppet/lib]: Failed to generate additional resources during transaction: None of the provided sources exist | ||
| [2009/05/19 06:06:45] <verwilst> err: /File[/var/lib/puppet/lib]: Failed to retrieve current state of resource: No specified source was found from puppet://puppet/plugins | ||
| [2009/05/19 06:06:55] <verwilst> will open ticket | ||
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| [2009/05/19 06:19:25] <Volcane> not the same at all | ||
| [2009/05/19 06:19:27] <Volcane> those are actual problems | ||
| [2009/05/19 06:19:42] <Volcane> you have pluginsync enabled on your clients without setting it up on the server I'd think | ||
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| [2009/05/19 06:33:52] <verwilst> Volcane: yeah i know it's not the same :) | ||
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| [2009/05/19 06:37:11] <verwilst> Volcane: http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/1728 | ||
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| [2009/05/19 06:51:33] <mattock> hi, today my puppetmaster (or puppetd?) stopped working due to connection timeouts in fileserver.describe: http://pastie.org/482613 | ||
| [2009/05/19 06:51:55] <mattock> have you had similar problems? | ||
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| [2009/05/19 07:38:17] <mattock> now fileserver.describe just started working, even though I made no changes to any configuration | ||
| [2009/05/19 07:38:22] <mattock> strange | ||
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| [2009/05/19 08:15:51] <FiXion> hmm it seems puppet still doesn't run newaliases when it updates /etc/aliases - how do you guys handle aliases? | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:16:33] <HarryCalahan> FiXion: actually i copy aliases from a central server (all servers have the same) and do an exec | ||
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| [2009/05/19 08:17:00] <martha> I put this in my site.pp Mailalias { notify => Exec["newaliases"], } | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:17:45] <FiXion> martha: and then you have a seperate define of exec "newaliases" | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:18:00] <martha> FiXion: yes | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:18:53] <FiXion> I'll just do that then.. | ||
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| [2009/05/19 08:22:32] <FiXion> martha: how does your newaliases exec resource look like? | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:23:02] <martha> exec { "newaliases": refreshonly => true, } | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:23:41] <FiXion> martha: thanks | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:23:47] <HarryCalahan> FiXion: http://pastie.org/482682 | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:26:09] <FiXion> HarryCalahan: thanks | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:27:36] <HarryCalahan> i use this test for the systems with an unmanaged (meaning not copied from puppet) aliases. so they at least update the aliases.db. But it will run the test on every puppetrun (in case you are realy cpu-cycle sensitive) | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:31:20] <FiXion> I just removed the requirement+subscription to the file resource - and it works like a charm with the MailAlias with a require to it. | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:32:17] <martha> I keep mine generic, since we have both sendmail and postfix servers. | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:32:18] <HarryCalahan> FiXion: if using a notify from Mailalias and ar refreshonly on the exec, then you don't need to run the test | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:32:47] <HarryCalahan> FiXion: the exec is only called when a mailalias modifies a line in aliases. | ||
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| [2009/05/19 08:38:19] <mib_5heb6d> .. | ||
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| [2009/05/19 08:39:58] <FiXion> I'll uncomment the onlyif then :) | ||
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| [2009/05/19 08:40:47] <HarryCalahan> FiXion: you mean comment, right? | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:41:03] <FiXion> HarryCalahan: ofcourse.. read what I mean - not what I write :9 | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:41:13] <FiXion> :) | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:41:22] * FiXion goes home and goes to sleep | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:41:31] <HarryCalahan> FiXion: you got a crystal ball here. | ||
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| [2009/05/19 08:48:33] <FiXion> any clever examples of defining 9 files - which are all based on the same templates, but with 2 variables defined to something different ? | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:48:43] <FiXion> s/templates/template/ | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:49:29] * HarryCalahan drops the crystal ball | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:52:24] <FiXion> aiihhh | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:52:49] <HarryCalahan> ah come on, sissy | ||
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| [2009/05/19 08:53:39] <mib_5heb6d> you? | ||
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| [2009/05/19 08:54:18] <nasrat> meh vmware fact broken | ||
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| [2009/05/19 08:56:04] <nasrat> jamesturnbull: about? | ||
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| [2009/05/19 08:58:08] <verwilst> damned that reductivelabs site is more often down than up! | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:58:16] <verwilst> and if it's up, it's deadslow | ||
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| [2009/05/19 08:58:36] <FiXion> reductivelabs wiki seems down :( | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:59:00] <FiXion> it responds with an internal error after a looong while | ||
| [2009/05/19 08:59:08] <verwilst> let's hope they are switching to more powerful hardware/bandwidth ;) | ||
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| [2009/05/19 09:01:57] <joe-mac> FiXion: they were doing the cutover last night | ||
| [2009/05/19 09:02:04] <joe-mac> maybe it didn't go as planned, or they are still working at it | ||
| [2009/05/19 09:02:54] <joe-mac> lak and others have ack'd that the wiki needs to be fixed, they have been planning it for a while, and last night in here james said they were douing the cutover | ||
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| [2009/05/19 09:04:52] <HarryCalahan> joe-mac: will they go away from trac? as they already moved the ticketing to something else (i forgot the name)? | ||
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| [2009/05/19 09:05:31] <joe-mac> not too positive on the details, i want to be surprised ;-) | ||
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| [2009/05/19 09:06:28] <HarryCalahan> joe-mac: i can hand you a windows machine. No idea what's on it. it should recive fax messages. I even don't have a login but shall fix it. | ||
| [2009/05/19 09:06:53] <joe-mac> lol, not *that* kind of surprised | ||
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| [2009/05/19 09:42:39] <incommon_ike> anyone have a good puppet template for DNS Zone FIles? | ||
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| [2009/05/19 09:54:26] <joe-mac> incommon_ike: i'm inclined to believe that most people just serve the zone files out from puppet, not really manage them with puppet | ||
| [2009/05/19 10:02:13] <flashn> sweeetz | ||
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| [2009/05/19 10:04:36] <flashn> finally setup 2 node puppetmaster/puppetmaster setup with mysqlbackend for storing configs, apache+passenger and puppetshow and subversion | ||
| [2009/05/19 10:04:43] <flashn> setting up cft now | ||
| [2009/05/19 10:04:47] <flashn> anything Ive missed? >:] | ||
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| [2009/05/19 10:05:35] <HarryCalahan> setting up blinking lights and a nerd-at-work warning sign? | ||
| [2009/05/19 10:05:35] <isaac_incommon> anyone have a good puppet template for DNS Zone FIles? | ||
| [2009/05/19 10:05:56] <HarryCalahan> isaac_incommon: we still don't have one. | ||
| [2009/05/19 10:06:11] <isaac_incommon> sorry. I was disconnected and didn't see the reply | ||
| [2009/05/19 10:06:29] <HarryCalahan> 15:54 < joe-mac> incommon_ike: i'm inclined to believe that most people just serve the zone files out from puppet, not really manage them with puppet | ||
| [2009/05/19 10:08:16] <isaac_incommon> thx. joe-mac & Harry. | ||
| [2009/05/19 10:09:49] <joe-mac> np | ||
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| [2009/05/19 11:06:34] <malraid> hello, i've been reading a little about puppet, and it looks cool, but I was wondering if it could push some config changes and restart a service "on demand" | ||
| [2009/05/19 11:06:51] <HarryCalahan> malraid: puppetrun | ||
| [2009/05/19 11:07:22] <HarryCalahan> "Trigger a puppetd run on a set of hosts" | ||
| [2009/05/19 11:07:56] <malraid> ok, so that will allow the hosts to get the new config file | ||
| [2009/05/19 11:08:17] <HarryCalahan> so while not specific to "update this config file" you can trigger your puppet clients that they should now update themself (fetching configs and restarting services as necessary) | ||
| [2009/05/19 11:08:46] <malraid> ok, so it will update everything | ||
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| [2009/05/19 11:09:26] <malraid> and how can it determine if it should restart a service? | ||
| [2009/05/19 11:10:07] <HarryCalahan> malraid: you write a correct manifest. | ||
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| [2009/05/19 11:10:54] <HarryCalahan> malraid: you define that a service should be restarted when file xy changes. or you define in the file resource that is should notfiy service ab the moment it is changed | ||
| [2009/05/19 11:11:32] <malraid> ok, that's exactly what i need, i'll look into the docs for the syntax | ||
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| [2009/05/19 11:12:11] <malraid> thanks a lot for the pointers | ||
| [2009/05/19 11:12:20] <HarryCalahan> you are welcome | ||
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| [2009/05/19 11:48:04] <dsd_> hi | ||
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| [2009/05/19 11:49:20] <joe-mac> hi | ||
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| [2009/05/19 11:58:40] <jamesturnbull> nasrat: am briefly | ||
| [2009/05/19 12:01:01] <wizard_2> Where can I find a list of states a package resource can be in (ie, ensure=> present, installed, etc)? | ||
| [2009/05/19 12:01:28] <nasrat> jamesturnbull: I've a fix for a bug I found in virtual on solaris, will mail when get home | ||
| [2009/05/19 12:01:39] <Volcane> the wiki:TypeReference shows whats acceptable for each | ||
| [2009/05/19 12:02:10] <gepetto> Volcane: wiki:TypeReference is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/TypeReference | ||
| [2009/05/19 12:02:10] <wizard_2> thanks =) | ||
| [2009/05/19 12:02:10] <joe-mac> anybody know a quick way of removing extra spaces at the end of a line? | ||
| [2009/05/19 12:02:12] <joe-mac> just ' \+$' in sed? | ||
| [2009/05/19 12:02:21] <joe-mac> or ' .*$' | ||
| [2009/05/19 12:03:03] <jamesturnbull> nasrat: cool | ||
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| [2009/05/19 13:02:12] <sigmonsays> does anyone know of a generic interface to rrds for graphing? | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:02:21] <sigmonsays> drraw is ok | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:02:28] <sigmonsays> but i'm having major issues getting it automated :( | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:02:54] <Volcane> whats wrong with just using rrdtool? | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:03:22] <sigmonsays> I suppose that's my best bet | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:03:33] <sigmonsays> i was hoping to build upon someone elses front end | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:03:34] <Volcane> there are bound to be some perl/etc modules for this too | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:03:47] <Volcane> or rrdtool comes with a cgi | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:03:53] <Volcane> never used it though | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:03:57] <sigmonsays> yah | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:06:08] <sigmonsays> I don't see why it's so hard to point a prog at a dir of rrds and say "make me graphs" :) | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:06:16] <sigmonsays> it probably stems from my laziness | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:09:27] <Volcane> yeah it shouldnt be hard to write something like that but you'd need to have rrd's that are sane though, esp multi value ones should somehow conform to a default, say all be stackable in a sane way etc | ||
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| [2009/05/19 13:32:26] <lak> trying out adium's new beta, which *finally* supports irc | ||
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| [2009/05/19 13:33:27] <Volcane> lak: yeah, i pressed apple-, chose General which repeatedly resulted in a crash so gave up :( | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:33:51] <Volcane> still, would be awesome once it works well | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:34:08] <lak> i used to use pidgin or whatever it was called on linux, and loved the irc support | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:34:11] <lak> so i'm pretty excited | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:34:17] <lak> esp. since i never really liked colloquy | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:34:20] <Volcane> i couldnt see any nicks in the side list of channel members, and any attempts to change my prefs would kill it | ||
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| [2009/05/19 13:35:14] <reyjrar> have you tried X-Chat Aqua ? | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:35:24] <Volcane> unmaintained now :( | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:35:28] <lak> not in a while, but i didn't like it at the time | ||
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| [2009/05/19 13:35:44] <plathrop> I'm back to using irssi in a screen session | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:35:53] <reyjrar> eh.. it works alright.. lacks "apple interactivity" but it's good enough.. | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:36:14] <reyjrar> plathrop: I've been thinking about falling back on that option too.. | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:36:43] <Volcane> i hate it with multiple networks and channels, i need to see it all in one screen else i forget about some network/channel | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:36:50] <Volcane> and in one channel i keep sending stuff to the wrong window | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:36:53] <Volcane> just cant win :) | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:40:02] <plathrop> I seem to have gotten good enough to usually avoid that, though every time I say this I have a rash of mistyping, so :-( | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:40:11] <Volcane> heh | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:40:28] <Volcane> i need a irc client that makes the entire active window a different color | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:40:38] <Volcane> no doubt could convince irssii to do that | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:43:03] <rpeoplemege> Anyone know how to match a slash in a string in augeas? let entry = /[a-z]/ is fine. let entry = /[a-z/]/ <=== is not | ||
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| [2009/05/19 13:45:12] <rpeoplemege> I can't seem to dereference it | ||
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| [2009/05/19 13:45:50] <Volcane> did you try escaping it? | ||
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| [2009/05/19 13:46:25] <rpeoplemege> how? | ||
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| [2009/05/19 13:46:45] <Volcane> just like you'd expect in unix | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:47:16] <rpeoplemege> a-z\/ yells "undefined variable | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:47:25] <Volcane> ah | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:47:31] <Volcane> well, donno, that was just a guess | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:47:42] <Volcane> i loath the very idea of augeas so never tried it | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:47:42] <rpeoplemege> "The key regexp /[a-z\/] matches a '/'" | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:48:53] <plathrop> Volcane: +1 | ||
| [2009/05/19 13:49:04] <rpeoplemege> Aha wiki on creating a lens step by step explains | ||
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| [2009/05/19 14:02:17] <wizard_2> I noticed in a recipe that someone uses a resource called "line" to make sure a line was present in a file - I can't find it in the type reference - would it be somewhere else? | ||
| [2009/05/19 14:02:41] <agaffney> probably something custom | ||
| [2009/05/19 14:02:47] <agaffney> a definition | ||
| [2009/05/19 14:03:17] <wizard_2> it's from the davids-manifests | ||
| [2009/05/19 14:04:02] * joe-mac loses his last piece of sanity | ||
| [2009/05/19 14:04:08] <joe-mac> i blame debian | ||
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| [2009/05/19 14:54:14] <joe-mac> if i have a csr in the puppetca, how i can reject it? | ||
| [2009/05/19 14:54:31] <joe-mac> i have silly test machines listing, and i just don't want to see them in there cause they were just tests, i tried --clean nodename didn't do it | ||
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| [2009/05/19 14:59:32] <Volcane> clean should do it really, unless you're on a oldish puppet | ||
| [2009/05/19 14:59:44] <Volcane> just delete them from /var/lib/puppet/ssl they have obvious names | ||
| [2009/05/19 14:59:58] <nico> validation + clean should work too | ||
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| [2009/05/19 15:09:13] <joe-mac> yea i am on 24.4 | ||
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| [2009/05/19 15:14:14] <zahna> puppet 0.25 doesn't break any backwards compatibility does it? | ||
| [2009/05/19 15:14:35] <Volcane> once its released probably not | ||
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| [2009/05/19 15:16:58] <rgsteele||work> FYI, http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/TypeReference | ||
| [2009/05/19 15:17:09] <rgsteele||work> Trac looks borked. | ||
| [2009/05/19 15:17:37] <Volcane> i have mirrors here http://nephilim.ml.org/~rip/puppet/historical/ | ||
| [2009/05/19 15:18:19] <rgsteele||work> Volcane: Thanks pal. | ||
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| [2009/05/19 15:33:31] <sazma> lak, ping | ||
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| [2009/05/19 15:36:02] <lak> sazma: hi | ||
| [2009/05/19 15:36:50] <sazma> hey man, we're melting down... got time to help or should we punt? | ||
| [2009/05/19 15:36:56] <lak> on 0.25? | ||
| [2009/05/19 15:37:01] <sazma> yea | ||
| [2009/05/19 15:37:05] <lak> i can help | ||
| [2009/05/19 15:37:08] <sazma> cool | ||
| [2009/05/19 15:37:18] <sazma> I opened a support tic with some info | ||
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| [2009/05/19 15:40:27] <justindossey> What is "node"? I'm not seeing it in the Type reference | ||
| [2009/05/19 15:40:45] <jrojas> justindossey: node is the definition of the node puppet will be configuring in the site.pp | ||
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| [2009/05/19 15:40:50] <justindossey> I mean, I know how to use "node" but I was looking for documentation on it | ||
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| [2009/05/19 15:41:33] <joe-mac> i have conquered preseeding with raid, and managed to work around the failure of ubuntu 8.04 to be able to do lvm during boot | ||
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| [2009/05/19 15:58:09] <jrojas> Volcane: what was that generated with? rdoc? | ||
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| [2009/05/19 16:11:08] <jamesturnbull> justindossey: wiki:LanguageTutorial | ||
| [2009/05/19 16:11:11] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: justindossey: wiki:LanguageTutorial is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/LanguageTutorial | ||
| [2009/05/19 16:11:29] <Volcane> jrojas: puppetdoc | ||
| [2009/05/19 16:11:46] <jrojas> Volcane: awesome , thnx | ||
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| [2009/05/19 16:17:44] <jamesturnbull> zahna: 0.25 will be behaviourally backwards compatible with the 0.24.x series | ||
| [2009/05/19 16:20:13] <zahna> jamesturnbull: excellent | ||
| [2009/05/19 16:22:14] <jrojas> jamesturnbull: does that apply to the stored configs and such as well? | ||
| [2009/05/19 16:24:28] <jamesturnbull> jrojas: schema does not change if that is what you mean | ||
| [2009/05/19 16:24:53] <jamesturnbull> jrojas: should be faster though and 0.25.0 will come with a queuing daemon also | ||
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| [2009/05/19 17:01:51] <nasrat> jamesturnbull: ping | ||
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| [2009/05/19 17:04:51] <nasrat> anyone about to discuss Facter::Util::Resolution.exec ? | ||
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| [2009/05/19 17:05:37] <lak> nasrat: what do you want to discuss about it? | ||
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| [2009/05/19 17:06:06] <nasrat> so I've noticed that one of the patches we've got tries to see basically what return code is | ||
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| [2009/05/19 17:06:18] <nasrat> but we don't really provide a good interface for that | ||
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| [2009/05/19 17:06:29] <nasrat> and we really over abuse returning nil | ||
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| [2009/05/19 17:07:21] <lak> ah | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:07:23] <nasrat> we do nil on ENOENT, on no output (silent success maybe) | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:07:32] <lak> yeah, i didn't do much to the internals of that when i refactored | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:07:39] <lak> it was more about moving stuff around to make it easier to manage | ||
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| [2009/05/19 17:09:10] <nasrat> now I can fix it all up but I know 1.5.5 is late already | ||
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| [2009/05/19 17:09:51] <nasrat> so I just want some idea what I should do - just get the fact working properly or spend a bit of time cleaning up around it | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:15:42] <lak> how much time will it take to clean it up, you think? | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:17:34] <nasrat> it's not that much work, more a case of if I have time right now. | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:18:07] <nasrat> I might timebox to a day to get it working, I already want to come back and revisit the whole of virtual.rb for 1.6 | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:18:27] <nasrat> and making the api more intuitive is more long term goal anyway | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:19:25] <lak> have you seen the shadowfacter stuff? | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:19:31] <lak> it's basically a cleaner api wrapped around the current stuff | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:19:34] <lak> i'd like to add it to core | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:19:38] <lak> but just haven't had time | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:19:42] <lak> i can put you in touch with the dev | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:19:52] <lak> i *thought* he was going to start submitting it as patches, but i guess not | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:24:44] <nasrat> I've had a look through it | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:24:57] <nasrat> and yeah it's nice, I can ping the devs | ||
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| [2009/05/19 17:25:25] <lak> cool | ||
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| [2009/05/19 17:25:57] <lak> not loving adium + irc so far; it counts all unread messages equally, which means it always looks like people are talking to me, rather than just on the list | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:26:00] <lak> not so useful :/ | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:26:38] <Volcane> yeah it needs a lot of work sitll | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:26:54] <Volcane> but yeah, after years of IRC is not IM b/s tihs is a step in the right direction | ||
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| [2009/05/19 17:34:45] <joe-mac> Volcane, what do you mean? | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:34:56] <joe-mac> i use pidgin, and it works pretty well for irc and aim | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:35:03] <Volcane> adium developers for years refused to write IRC support into it | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:35:07] <Volcane> cos they claim IRC != IM | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:35:09] <joe-mac> oooo i c | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:35:17] <joe-mac> it's messaging... that's a stupid doctrine | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:35:23] <Volcane> indeed | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:35:30] <joe-mac> that's why i use pidgin, i don't wabna multiple apps for what is effectively the same task | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:35:51] <lak> yep | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:36:08] <lak> and the stupid thing is that adium is just a port of pidgin, but they left irc out | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:36:34] <plathrop> Huh, I find that in my head, IRC and IM are fundamentally different, but now I can't articulate why... | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:36:56] <Volcane> cos you've been on irc before IM became a buzzword :P | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:37:29] <plathrop> Volcane: Not in my case. I didn't start IRC'ing until I got involved with puppet, so end of 2007 | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:37:34] <Volcane> ah sheesh | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:37:39] <Volcane> how odd | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:37:41] <plathrop> I mean, I'd dabbled, but never been on for a long time | ||
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| [2009/05/19 17:39:21] <joe-mac> i think i have used adium before | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:39:26] <joe-mac> i don't recall too clearly | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:43:00] <justindossey> what, it was dark and you were drunk? :) I like that Adium supports OTR fu | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:43:16] <justindossey> but I use pidgin because they don't make a linux adium | ||
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| [2009/05/19 17:51:17] <joe-mac> pidgin supports otr justindossey | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:51:26] <joe-mac> i'm required to use it in all IM stuff at work... | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:51:34] <joe-mac> it's a plugin, idk if adium is native | ||
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| [2009/05/19 17:52:13] <joe-mac> anybody here got pxelinux.0 booting bsd? | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:53:14] <joe-mac> looks impossible lol, (kinda obviously) | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:53:37] <joe-mac> looks like pxegrub can do this | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:58:09] <justindossey> joe-mac: I know, I use it | ||
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| [2009/05/19 17:58:53] <grey-> lak: adium added irc + twitter in 1.4 beta. | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:59:00] <grey-> should be done soon. | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:59:07] <lak> grey-: i know, i'm using it :) | ||
| [2009/05/19 17:59:07] <grey-> errr release. | ||
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| [2009/05/19 18:18:41] <flashn> anyone knows of any recipes for setting up the tables for puppetshow? shouldent they be generated..? | ||
| [2009/05/19 18:19:11] <flashn> complains about missing tables like "puppet.sessions" etc | ||
| [2009/05/19 18:20:36] <flashn> ah n/m | ||
| [2009/05/19 18:20:49] <flashn> didnt see db:migration t | ||
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| [2009/05/19 18:29:09] <grim_radical> Ok, I think I'm rake-tarded | ||
| [2009/05/19 18:29:27] <grim_radical> for some reason, rake bombs when trying to load puppet/error | ||
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| [2009/05/19 18:29:30] <grim_radical> http://pastie.org/483419 | ||
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| [2009/05/19 18:30:20] <grim_radical> ...although lib/puppet/error.rb clearly exists | ||
| [2009/05/19 18:34:03] <grim_radical> okay, explicitly setting $RUBYLIB to include <path to puppet source>/lib gets it past that error | ||
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| [2009/05/19 18:36:22] <grim_radical> now rake complains with: Malformed version number string 0.25.0beta1 | ||
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| [2009/05/19 18:37:48] <grim_radical> http://pastie.org/483431 | ||
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| [2009/05/19 19:01:12] <grim_radical> ah, this explains things: http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-dev/msg/d0a130c49adc5244 | ||
| [2009/05/19 19:04:27] <jamesturnbull> nakano_: pong | ||
| [2009/05/19 19:04:41] <jamesturnbull> nakano_: sorry - tab completion intenral error :) | ||
| [2009/05/19 19:04:53] <jamesturnbull> grim_radical: I hate gems | ||
| [2009/05/19 19:05:09] <grim_radical> jamesturnbull: indeed. :P | ||
| [2009/05/19 19:05:34] <grim_radical> plus, you can't selfupdate the gems on ubuntu if you use the ubuntu packages, so you have to reinstall gems from source | ||
| [2009/05/19 19:05:40] <jamesturnbull> grim_radical: imagine dictating the release numbering to only 1.2.3 | ||
| [2009/05/19 19:05:47] <jamesturnbull> I am sure someone thought it was a good idea | ||
| [2009/05/19 19:05:52] <jamesturnbull> but really - options people | ||
| [2009/05/19 19:06:19] <jamesturnbull> gepetto: seen nasrat | ||
| [2009/05/19 19:06:19] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: nasrat was last seen 1 hour and 34 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) and a while before saying "and yeah it's nice, I can ping the devs" | ||
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| [2009/05/19 19:13:03] <joe-mac> anybody here using pxegrub? | ||
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| [2009/05/19 19:42:31] <joe-mac> ugh one step forward, two steps back... i finally wrestle ubuntu's automatic raid into submission, and even get it to build lvm on top with some hackery, now pxegrub is not working so i can't complete the build server since it needs to be able to boot obsd. failboat | ||
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| [2009/05/19 21:26:49] <rcsheets> hi there. | ||
| [2009/05/19 21:27:03] <rcsheets> this is happening when i try to run puppetd: http://pastie.org/483528 | ||
| [2009/05/19 21:27:08] <rcsheets> i'm stuck :( | ||
| [2009/05/19 21:28:04] <tmz> jamesturnbull: would a small patch or two to fix $operatingsystemrelease on CentOS < 5 have a chance for 1.5.5 ? | ||
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| [2009/05/19 21:29:44] <tmz> currently, operatingsystemrelease == 4.7 (Final). the sed command lacks the proper amount of backslashes to work correctly. | ||
| [2009/05/19 21:29:55] <tmz> patch for that: http://tmz.fedorapeople.org/patches/0001-Fix-operatingsystemrelease-for-CentOS-5.patch | ||
| [2009/05/19 21:31:10] <tmz> less important, but in the 'while-I-was-looking' category, the regex right below that is /5/, which is intended to match for CentOS 5, but will also catch 4.5. | ||
| [2009/05/19 21:31:17] <tmz> patch for that: http://tmz.fedorapeople.org/patches/0002-Tighten-operatingsystemrelease-regex-on-CentOS-5.patch | ||
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