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| [2009/05/13 01:40:00] <jamesturnbull> chadh: try the debian unstable repos | ||
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| [2009/05/13 01:41:03] <jamesturnbull> dixond: you've seen the windows code we're going to put into 0.25.x? | ||
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| [2009/05/13 01:55:10] <nasrat> jamesturnbull: don't hate me! | ||
| [2009/05/13 01:56:38] <nasrat> part of the point of those mails is getting me thinking about facter testing | ||
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| [2009/05/13 02:06:34] <jamesturnbull> nasrat: no worries - if my inane tests provoke good code then it's almost as good as an actual good test :) | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:07:23] <nasrat> if my points are muddled or confusing let me know, rambling early in the morning pre coffee | ||
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| [2009/05/13 02:08:20] <jamesturnbull> nasrat: no that's good - when can I get the util code for all the facts currently not implemented like that? post coffee? :) | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:08:58] <nasrat> it'll be after coffee I just won't say how long ... | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:09:08] <nasrat> and post 1.5.5 for sure :) | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:09:10] <jamesturnbull> heh | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:10:03] <jamesturnbull> I didn't reply to your email did I? | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:10:12] <jamesturnbull> re Facter 1.5.5 | ||
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| [2009/05/13 02:10:43] <nasrat> nope | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:11:07] <nasrat> eg if we want the virt stuff cleaned up I'm happy to do some stuff over the next few days | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:12:07] <jamesturnbull> nasrat: well I've applied two of three fixes mentioned | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:12:25] <jamesturnbull> nasrat: I had to mangle that openvz one a little - it didn't apply clean | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:12:38] <nasrat> ok | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:12:49] <nasrat> I just chased ppl to test it | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:13:17] <nasrat> I can test 2120 probably but again will have to rewrite the patch | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:13:30] <jamesturnbull> I am going to merge in those selinux tests - the inverse comment doesn't make much sense as a test case I think though and the last fact is just yesting the resolution mechanism | ||
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| [2009/05/13 02:14:40] <nasrat> cool | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:16:12] <tuf> man | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:16:26] <tuf> I think I was just bitten by the broadcom/cisco kickstart problem | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:16:30] <tuf> spent a day on it :( | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:16:45] <jamesturnbull> nasrat: okay then I'll apply those and 2227 now I think | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:18:48] <nasrat> great, then we need to make a call about what #2067 means | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:18:49] <gepetto> nasrat: great: #2067 is http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/show/2067 "Facter - Bug #2067: Virtual fact does not work for Xen, HyperV, kvm - ReductiveLabs.com" | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:23:00] <jamesturnbull> nasrat: I think parts of that have been fixed - the zone stuff for example | ||
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| [2009/05/13 02:26:41] <nasrat> if that's the case I'd be tempted to close it and in the comment say if your platform for virt is unsupported please file a new and independent bug | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:27:05] <nasrat> I had a quick look at libvirt to see if I could see any more techniques for detection | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:27:53] <Djelibeybi> nasrat: what are you trying to detect exactly? | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:28:19] <jamesturnbull> Djelibeybi: 42 | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:28:24] <nasrat> Djelibeybi: I'm not in specific I was just curious to see what other ppl are doing | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:28:28] <Djelibeybi> Is this for Xen dom0/domU stuff? | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:29:17] <jamesturnbull> Djelibeybi: and vmware, openvz, kvm, QEMU, etc | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:29:44] <Djelibeybi> jamesturnbull: not sure if libvirt would help with vmware/openvz -- kvm and QEMU perhaps | ||
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| [2009/05/13 02:34:25] <nasrat> openvz seems to be on the list http://libvirt.org/ | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:34:37] <nasrat> note not thinking of requiring libvirt | ||
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| [2009/05/13 02:44:56] <nasrat> actually we're interested in how the guest sees the world | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:45:29] <Djelibeybi> nasrat: the tough bit is for HVM guests that don't know they're being virtualised. | ||
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| [2009/05/13 02:48:45] <nasrat> indeed | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:50:47] <Djelibeybi> nasrat: though, most EL distros will load the HVPVM drivers, which may be one way to tell. | ||
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| [2009/05/13 02:57:15] <Djelibeybi> nasrat: you could do an lspci and scan for QEMU devices in HVM. :) | ||
| [2009/05/13 02:58:17] <nasrat> yeah I need to get some systems setup for testing | ||
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| [2009/05/13 03:00:35] <nasrat> have to dash got training today, jamesturnbull probably back online tomorrow in your evening | ||
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| [2009/05/13 03:05:45] <youam> how can i tell puppet to delete a file only if a different file exists (and has a size > 0)? that is, why doesn't the file type have a "onlyif" argument and how would i best emulate it? | ||
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| [2009/05/13 05:07:17] <FiXion> awfully quit in here :) | ||
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| [2009/05/13 05:21:51] <jamesturnbull> FiXion: TZ I guess | ||
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| [2009/05/13 05:27:09] * FiXion thinkgs it's usually not this quit | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:27:22] * FiXion obviously can't type :) | ||
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| [2009/05/13 05:36:03] <jamesturnbull> FiXion: it quite often is this time of day | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:36:44] <jamesturnbull> FiXion: it's very early morning in the US and mid-evening AEST/NZ | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:38:14] * Volcane 's still waking up | ||
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| [2009/05/13 05:42:05] <DerekW_> Hi guys, anyone have restart powers over Redmine? | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:42:52] @ nakano is now known as nakano_ | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:43:12] <jamesturnbull> DerekW_: that'd be me | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:43:17] <jamesturnbull> DerekW_: what's the issue? | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:43:33] <DerekW_> Hi jamesturnbull. Web client just sits there waiting for a response | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:44:05] <jamesturnbull> DerekW_: okay I'll take a look | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:44:11] <DerekW_> Thanks... | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:45:27] <nico> hey puppeters | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:46:31] <nico> I'm looking at wiki:UsingMongrelNginx and I'm trying to find the right values for the ssl_* directives on my system | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:47:32] <gepetto> nico: wiki:UsingMongrelNginx is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/UsingMongrelNginx | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:47:32] <nico> any clue ? nginx wants to bite me | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:47:32] <Volcane> many people have used the wiki succesfully to get it working, do the proposed values on the wiki not work for you? | ||
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| [2009/05/13 05:48:07] <nico> Volcane: they are for OSX :) | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:48:28] <nico> I'm not a SSL fan, all theses certificates tend to confuse me | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:48:41] <Volcane> so all you want is the to find the right paths for the certs? | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:48:47] <nico> exactly | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:49:12] <nico> want a pastie of what I use right now ? | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:49:39] <Volcane> did you even try using something like "find" to find the file like ca_crt.pem? | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:50:06] <nico> looks like it's the "ssl_certificate_key" that is wrong | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:50:11] <nico> http://pastie.org/private/sqg2doanuysst5qf4wpq | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:50:39] <nico> but I don't know which .pem use, I'm kinda lost | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:50:49] <Volcane> the ones in private are keys, not public | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:52:18] <nico> ok | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:52:31] <nico> looks like nginx is happy now :) | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:53:02] <Volcane> kewl :) | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:53:07] <zeroXten> morning all | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:53:20] <jamesturnbull> DerekW_: should be fixed | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:53:22] <nico> Volcane: thx | ||
| [2009/05/13 05:54:01] <DerekW_> jamesturnbull, thx | ||
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| [2009/05/13 06:42:00] <FiXion> jamesturnbull: then I'm just remembering wrong :) | ||
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| [2009/05/13 08:39:14] <MaGicKanGaRoo> hi, can i return a variable from a define back to the class that called it? | ||
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| [2009/05/13 08:59:58] <Volcane> MaGicKanGaRoo: thats not what they're for, no | ||
| [2009/05/13 09:00:20] <Volcane> MaGicKanGaRoo: what do you want to do? | ||
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| [2009/05/13 09:16:10] <fzzzt> When you first start puppet up, is it supposed to do a catalog run? | ||
| [2009/05/13 09:16:41] <fzzzt> Hrm. Doing puppetd -do works, but starting the service doesn't. Interesting... | ||
| [2009/05/13 09:17:24] <fsweetser_> what version? | ||
| [2009/05/13 09:18:05] <fzzzt> 0.24.8 rhel 4 | ||
| [2009/05/13 09:21:20] <fzzzt> All my clients are doing it...must be something w/networking I suppose. They did connect, and I signed the certs, but haven't since. | ||
| [2009/05/13 09:22:15] <fsweetser_> only glitch I know of that looked like that was fixed in .8 | ||
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| [2009/05/13 09:24:23] <fzzzt> In debug I do see "Failed to load library 'shadow' for feature 'libshadow'" and "Failed to load library 'ldap' for feature 'ldap'" | ||
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| [2009/05/13 09:24:55] <Volcane> both are fairly harmless, some features just get disabled | ||
| [2009/05/13 09:26:48] <fzzzt> It just seems to "stop" after printing "puppetd startup succeeded". The client on the puppet master itself continues on and runs, but actually never said "puppetd startup succeeded" heh. | ||
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| [2009/05/13 09:31:42] * Volcane had a dodgy fact that caused that behaviuor | ||
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| [2009/05/13 09:34:53] <fzzzt> puppetd -do works fine though | ||
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| [2009/05/13 09:35:37] <Volcane> fzzzt: yeah was the same for me too | ||
| [2009/05/13 09:36:05] <fzzzt> Do you remember how you fixed or detected it? | ||
| [2009/05/13 09:36:26] <Volcane> i fixed my dodgy code :P if you didnt add any custom facts or so i doubt thats the caused | ||
| [2009/05/13 09:36:30] <Volcane> cause | ||
| [2009/05/13 09:36:42] <fzzzt> nope | ||
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| [2009/05/13 09:48:44] <joe-mac> does anyone think a good metaparameter for resources would be some kind of email address that would get notified when a resource changes? | ||
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| [2009/05/13 09:49:17] <joe-mac> for instance if you have a file resource for /etc/passwd and a parameter called email that went to like security@yoursite.com | ||
| [2009/05/13 09:49:25] <fsweetser> couldn't that already be done with tags? | ||
| [2009/05/13 09:49:43] <joe-mac> fsweetser: tagmail reports aren't only if a resource changes afaik | ||
| [2009/05/13 09:50:03] <joe-mac> i could be wrong, but that is what i thought, which is why i am not currently using it | ||
| [2009/05/13 09:50:19] <fsweetser> odd... I was under the impression that the tagmail stuff allowed you to filter changes by the tags on the resources | ||
| [2009/05/13 09:50:33] <fsweetser> of course, I'm not using it lke that either, so take what I say with a teaspoon or so of salt =) | ||
| [2009/05/13 09:50:48] <joe-mac> heh. i might set up a little test for that then | ||
| [2009/05/13 09:51:01] <joe-mac> since i haven't actually seen it in action i probably should | ||
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| [2009/05/13 10:07:40] <MaGicKanGaRoo> hi volkane | ||
| [2009/05/13 10:07:42] <MaGicKanGaRoo> sorry was afk | ||
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| [2009/05/13 10:08:10] <MaGicKanGaRoo> http://pastie.org/476817 | ||
| [2009/05/13 10:08:16] <MaGicKanGaRoo> this is what i have set up | ||
| [2009/05/13 10:08:42] <MaGicKanGaRoo> wanted to add the $name to the $ssh_users variable | ||
| [2009/05/13 10:08:49] <MaGicKanGaRoo> so that i could include it in things like sudo and sshd configs | ||
| [2009/05/13 10:10:43] <zahna> so maybe i'm not looking in the right spot, but i seem to recall there being a way for puppet to simply keep a whole directory structure pushed out to clients. where is that? | ||
| [2009/05/13 10:10:59] <fzzzt> file resource with recurse | ||
| [2009/05/13 10:12:23] <zahna> really? i thought i was called something different. i'll look at File[]. thanks. | ||
| [2009/05/13 10:12:50] <fzzzt> that's what i use | ||
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| [2009/05/13 10:16:02] <zahna> fzzzt: heh, it was File[]. thanks! | ||
| [2009/05/13 10:18:41] <zahna> and with that, i have a puppetized pxelinux infrastructure. i love puppet. | ||
| [2009/05/13 10:20:01] <fzzzt> hmmm | ||
| [2009/05/13 10:20:02] <fzzzt> server4 puppetd[503]: Received signal to restart; waiting until run is complete | ||
| [2009/05/13 10:20:23] <fzzzt> it thinks it's doing a run, but hasn't passed any traffic | ||
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| [2009/05/13 10:27:11] <ibt> what's the benefit of using queues for storeconfigs? | ||
| [2009/05/13 10:27:57] <fsweetser> it means that serving manifests to clients no longer blocks on updating the database | ||
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| [2009/05/13 10:28:26] <ibt> much of a speedup? | ||
| [2009/05/13 10:28:27] <fzzzt> hrm i might have to use cron and puppetd -o instead on my rhel4 boxes :( | ||
| [2009/05/13 10:28:36] <fsweetser> ibt: potentially - haven't tried it myself | ||
| [2009/05/13 10:29:03] <fzzzt> rhel5 seems to work, but rhel4 hangs somewhere | ||
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| [2009/05/13 10:43:33] <fzzzt> It's possible to put resources like File in a node directly, right? | ||
| [2009/05/13 10:43:54] <Volcane> yes | ||
| [2009/05/13 10:44:11] <fzzzt> Hmm or maybe I should make a cron module | ||
| [2009/05/13 10:45:59] <Volcane> yeah, best to avoid it | ||
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| [2009/05/13 10:55:02] <fzzzt> Is there a way to lint a configuration? | ||
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| [2009/05/13 11:03:33] <joe-mac> fzzzt: puppet --parseonly whatever.pp | ||
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| [2009/05/13 11:06:19] <tek-ops> hello all | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:06:27] <barnowl> Alright question abort importing a module in to a module. I may be handling the whole thing wrong of course | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:06:30] <tek-ops> I'm running into an interesting issue with redhat package management | ||
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| [2009/05/13 11:06:52] <tek-ops> I can run "yum install @greek-support" from the command line | ||
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| [2009/05/13 11:07:57] <tek-ops> but if I do package {"@greek-support": ensure => present;} then puppet fails installing saying "Could not find package @greek-support" | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:08:01] <Volcane> tek-ops: yeah, package{} manages packages, doesnt support groups | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:08:07] <DerekW_> rpm doesn't understand it,. that's why | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:08:11] <tek-ops> ooh, at all? | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:08:26] <barnowl> I have all my yumrepos setup in amodule yum. This works pretty well, except that I need to include a class fomr teh yum module in a multimedia modules. | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:08:29] <Volcane> DerekW_: the yum provider uses yum, surprisingly :) | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:08:54] <DerekW_> Volcane, I thought it used rpm to check if it was currently installed tho | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:08:55] <barnowl> Are you using the yum provider? | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:08:57] <Volcane> DerekW_: still, the problem is the provider just deosnt support it - probably because its so hard to confirm that @group is actually installed 100% | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:08:59] <DerekW_> rpm -q @blah ain't gonna play nice | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:09:07] <lak> Volcane: kind of - the yum provider, afair, still uses rpm to see if a package is installed | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:09:08] <tek-ops> thats, fair | ||
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| [2009/05/13 11:09:17] <tek-ops> i presume this has come up, thanks for the rapid response | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:09:46] <tek-ops> that logic makes sense, best not to play risky, since groups can get really complex | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:09:47] <Volcane> lak, DerekW_: sure | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:09:55] <barnowl> group support was added to the yum provider, i believe. | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:10:02] <tek-ops> I dont mind explicitly stating all the packages, i just wanted to make sure i wasnt doing something incorrectly | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:10:10] <barnowl> Tek-ops waht version of puppet are you running? | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:10:11] <tek-ops> oh, I'll look into that | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:10:33] <tek-ops> 0.24.8 | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:11:06] <Volcane> i dont see any group related stuff in package/yum on 0.24.8 | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:11:51] <tek-ops> meaning not yet supported? | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:12:59] <barnowl> may not have been added. It was discussed on the list, thought it had made it in. | ||
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| [2009/05/13 11:30:40] * sigmonsays waits for php to compile while drinking coffee | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:31:47] <fzzzt> Am I crazy or should this work: http://pastebin.com/d7fbf5013 | ||
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| [2009/05/13 11:33:45] <sigmonsays> case sensitive? I dunno exactly | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:33:51] <fzzzt> tried that :/ | ||
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| [2009/05/13 11:34:11] <sigmonsays> facter operatingsystem spits otu Redhat on ur node in question? | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:34:17] <fzzzt> RedHat | ||
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| [2009/05/13 11:34:27] <fzzzt> but! it worked as redhat once | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:34:53] <ashp> lak: it's 12 we're doing this call, right? | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:34:58] <sigmonsays> heh. I always like to tell people to restart their puppetmaster when they see wierd stuff like that. I'm uncertain of master recovers from syntax errors yet | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:35:07] <ashp> my poor coworkers all have to wait for lunch until we're done, har :O | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:35:22] <fzzzt> i'm doing that now | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:35:34] <lak> ashp: yeah, we are | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:36:13] <ashp> ok, just checking, i heard there's new nagios stuff to discuss, which is good as I just finished my nagios deployment | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:36:19] <fzzzt> hm sudo works, cron doesnt | ||
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| [2009/05/13 11:42:41] <fzzzt> ah-ha, found at least in which file the problem lies | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:43:42] <fzzzt> it doesn't like the case statement in my module's init.pp | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:45:53] <joe-mac> this is driving me freaking insane, http://www.pastie.org/476927 can someone tell me why that fails to parse at the define line, says syntax error at =>? it passes puppet --parseonly on my machine, but my machine is slightly newer than the master | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:46:57] <joe-mac> the master fails | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:47:10] <mikepea> in your define line you have => rather than = | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:47:23] <mikepea> ($source => ) | ||
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| [2009/05/13 11:48:26] <joe-mac> goddammit! | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:48:26] <mikepea> also: pkg_name = "$name" should be $pkg_name | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:48:36] <mikepea> :) | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:48:42] <joe-mac> the parser in the new one is more lenient apparently | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:48:55] <joe-mac> thanks mikepea, i was really, really going insane | ||
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| [2009/05/13 11:50:23] <joe-mac> no, my svn commit hook is broken apparently | ||
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| [2009/05/13 11:50:59] <mikepea> ooh - when you fix it can you pastie it for me? Need to implement one of those asap. | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:52:32] <joe-mac> it parses after fixing the mistakes you noticed | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:53:23] <mikepea> sorry - meant the commit hook... | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:53:37] <joe-mac> oh, yea it was working | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:53:40] <joe-mac> idk WTF happened | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:54:36] <joe-mac> i can't believe i've been committing shit without it being parsed | ||
| [2009/05/13 11:54:42] <joe-mac> facepalm | ||
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| [2009/05/13 12:06:20] <fzzzt> oops, operatingsystemrelease not operatingsystemversion. | ||
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| [2009/05/13 12:14:06] <fzzzt> hmm there's no 'reload' for a service is there | ||
| [2009/05/13 12:14:21] <agaffney> not that I've seen | ||
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| [2009/05/13 12:24:21] <Volcane> sigh, wiki screwed again | ||
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| [2009/05/13 12:29:59] <lak> Volcane: i'll restart it | ||
| [2009/05/13 12:30:08] <lak> teyo and jamesturnbull are *very* close on the new wiki, btw | ||
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| [2009/05/13 12:39:07] <jantman> good afternoon | ||
| [2009/05/13 12:39:42] <jantman> anyone happen to be around and have any ideas on managing a specific portion of a config file, i.e. making sure that syslog-ng on all boxes logs to a central server? | ||
| [2009/05/13 12:39:54] <jantman> the simpleTextEdit example? | ||
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| [2009/05/13 12:42:29] <lak> jantman: yeah, if you decide you want to manage just a piece of the file, that kind of solution is your only real choice | ||
| [2009/05/13 12:43:31] <JD> mikepea: are you going to the farm tonight? | ||
| [2009/05/13 12:43:48] <JD> I'm about to head to the gym, but if you are, I'll see you there | ||
| [2009/05/13 12:44:25] <jantman> lak: thanks. I know it's not the right way, but with so many packages making their own additions to syslog.conf, it's not feasible to use one for all of the boxes | ||
| [2009/05/13 12:44:48] <mikepea> JD: nah, not this week. maybe next though. | ||
| [2009/05/13 12:45:04] <lak> jantman: if you're driving the many small changes, then look at the iptables snippet example on the wiki | ||
| [2009/05/13 12:45:20] <jantman> thanks | ||
| [2009/05/13 12:45:22] <lak> anyway, gotta run; trying to sell my house so i can move west, and that entails many an appointment | ||
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| [2009/05/13 12:56:11] <thatch_> can subscribe and require accept arrays? And then if I wanted an inheriting service to add to the array I would += to the origianl variable passed to the subscribe? | ||
| [2009/05/13 12:56:28] <thatch_> would that work? | ||
| [2009/05/13 12:56:38] <Volcane> you'd +> to the subscribe on the service | ||
| [2009/05/13 12:56:46] <thatch_> sweet! | ||
| [2009/05/13 12:57:04] <thatch_> errr | ||
| [2009/05/13 12:57:20] <Volcane> search for +> in the language tutorial for a example | ||
| [2009/05/13 12:57:30] <thatch_> thanks | ||
| [2009/05/13 12:58:09] <thatch_> man, that is perfect! Thanks! | ||
| [2009/05/13 12:58:43] <Volcane> :) | ||
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| [2009/05/13 13:23:12] <stick> so I've seen this error before: | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:23:15] <stick> Cannot manage: Cannot provide both name and path to file | ||
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| [2009/05/13 13:23:43] <stick> when you try to do something like: file { "/tmp/foo": name => "/tmp/foo" } | ||
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| [2009/05/13 13:24:02] <stick> but now I'm getting it when I set recurse => true on a directory (inside a define) | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:24:06] <stick> anyone else seem similiar? | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:24:12] <stick> *seen | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:24:28] <Volcane> so dont supply name => ? | ||
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| [2009/05/13 13:29:48] <stick> Volcane: so the type looks like this: | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:29:52] <stick> pastie: url | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:30:51] <pastie> http://pastie.org/477048 by stick. | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:31:21] <Volcane> file{"/tmp/foo": and then take out name => | ||
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| [2009/05/13 13:32:42] <gepetto> ::trac:: Certificates And Security edited by mike @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/CertificatesAndSecurity (by mike@semantico.com) | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:32:42] <gepetto> ::trac:: Certificates And Security edited by mike @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/CertificatesAndSecurity (by mike@semantico.com) | ||
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| [2009/05/13 13:52:17] <ed209> is there an easy way to put a header into any file that puppet touches? Something like "# this file is maintained through puppet, all edits will be lost" | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:52:44] <plathrop> ed209: I assume you mean besides putting it there yourself? | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:52:47] <ed209> its easy for templates, but for things like host types | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:52:51] <ed209> ya | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:53:01] <ed209> for any templated files we add one | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:53:03] <plathrop> ed209: huh. Puppet does that automatically for my hosts file | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:53:25] <ed209> might be time to upgrade then :) | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:53:43] <ed209> lemme double check mine | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:54:14] <justindossey> doesn't do that for me | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:56:57] <mikepea> Volcane (et al): have created http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/WhyAutosignIsDangerous based on our discussion - could you cast an eye over it to make sure you agree? | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:57:28] <ed209> might be nice as an option for fileserved files | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:57:53] <Volcane> ed209: yeah cos adding # broken by puppet works awesomely when serving xml files, binary files and all sorts of other files. | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:58:43] <justindossey> on top of that, # isn't a universal comment character | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:58:54] <Volcane> justindossey: yeah thats my point | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:58:56] <ed209> true nuff | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:59:06] <justindossey> so it's probably best to just put in the comment yourself | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:59:17] <ed209> werd | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:59:24] <ed209> just checking | ||
| [2009/05/13 13:59:41] <Volcane> which is why for example you see them in crontabs - cos theres a provider written specifically for that type of file on your OS and its specifically written to make compatible comments | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:00:09] <Volcane> mikepea: hmm, not 100% right, the signing is based on CN - so someone could get a signed cert by masquaring, then later the access to files and to the manifest etc is based on hostname - whcih obviously is also fakeable | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:00:43] <Volcane> mikepea: however, if the master has a signed cert already for host foo.com and some spoofer comes around asking for a new cert foo.com - the master will refuse. | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:00:54] <mikepea> ah, i see. Yuck. | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:01:01] <gepetto> ::trac:: Why Autosign IsDangerous edited by mike @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/WhyAutosignIsDangerous (by mike@semantico.com) | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:01:04] <Volcane> mikepea: and if a client with some other cert comes and claims to be foo.com it will check against this signed cert | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:02:13] <Volcane> mikepea: in my setup though, puppet2 can sign a cert but clients could talk to puppet1 at times, so puppet1 doesnt have copies of signed certs for clients signed by puppet2 (though the ca is simply the same on the two machines) so it still work, but i suspect i loose some integrity checks along the way, not 100% sure | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:02:19] <justindossey> Can anyone here point me to an example of the gem provider being used? | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:02:42] <mikepea> Volcane: so using FQDNs in node defns fixes the issue then? | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:03:30] <Volcane> mikepea: hmm, not really if i could get hold of or convince someone to sign a cert for foo.com then i can get config for foo.com. let me try something quick... | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:04:15] <Volcane> ah, and clients with a cert signed as say dev1.foo.com cant just run puppetd --fqdn=dev2.foo.com cos then the cert checking will fail | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:04:58] <mikepea> is that just the local puppetd barfing though? | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:04:58] <Volcane> so the only risk is that, some clean box can masquare as another thats not had a cert signed by that master yes | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:05:12] <Volcane> it barfs cos the master tells it to barf | ||
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| [2009/05/13 14:05:17] <mikepea> cool | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:07:06] <mikepea> i'll have a play later and update the doc. | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:07:43] <joe-mac> i'm going ape right now trying to figure out whjy i can' | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:07:57] <joe-mac> t exit inside a case statement ina while loop in an svn pre-commit | ||
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| [2009/05/13 14:08:06] <joe-mac> it always makes it to the end of the loop | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:08:12] <joe-mac> and exits with 0 | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:08:27] <joe-mac> even though test conditions that should evaluate as true and cause it to exit, don't | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:10:19] <joe-mac> if anybody wants to take a look and tell me something obvious, here is the pre-commit http://www.pastie.org/477093 | ||
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| [2009/05/13 14:14:12] <gepetto> ::trac:: Why Autosign IsDangerous edited by mike @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/WhyAutosignIsDangerous (by mike@semantico.com) | ||
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| [2009/05/13 14:33:31] <dan_chen> Does puppet have support for moving a puppetmaster to a different host? | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:34:36] <dan_chen> I'm trying to move a puppetmaster from host1 to host2, but the CA crt has the host1 fqdn in it, which is causing clients to distrust it | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:35:32] <barnowl> Dan_chen you may need to get the clear the Certs and have it recreate them based on the new master | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:36:06] <plathrop> dan_chen: copy your CA cert from the former puppetmaster | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:36:29] <dan_chen> plathrop: I tried that (just copied the whole ssl dir over) but on clients, it still doesn't trust it for some reason | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:37:34] <plathrop> dan_chen: there is an order of operations thing... let me see if I remember | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:37:41] <plathrop> I think you do it like this: | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:37:56] <plathrop> 1) set up new puppetmaster, start puppetd and puppetmasterd on it. | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:38:04] <plathrop> 2) stop both daemons. Blow away ssldir | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:38:11] <plathrop> 3) copy ssldir | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:38:15] <plathrop> 4 start daemons | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:38:45] <plathrop> also, the new puppetmaster either has to have the same hostname, or it has to use the certname config parameter | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:39:39] <dan_chen> plathrop: I think the problem is occuring with the CA crt | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:39:45] <dan_chen> not with the puppetmaster crt | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:39:49] <Volcane> or just talk to it via a cname "puppet" | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:40:09] <plathrop> Volcane: in which case you still need the certname parameter, I found | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:40:10] <dan_chen> yeah, in my setup, the canonical puppetmaster is puppet | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:40:16] <Volcane> ads it by default | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:40:23] <dan_chen> and the puppetmaster certs are fine | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:40:29] <dan_chen> it's just the CA crts which differ | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:40:51] <plathrop> dan_chen: the puppetmaster certs have to be signed by the same CA cert, that's what I'm saying | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:41:17] <plathrop> dan_chen: Which is why you have to get the order of operations right. It's been awhile since I did it... | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:41:22] <dan_chen> ohhh, I see | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:41:29] <dan_chen> hrm | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:42:23] <plathrop> basically, you have to get rid of the certs generaed by default, then get that CA cert in place, then get the right daemon started to generate the puppetmaster cert using that CA cert | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:42:30] <plathrop> play with the order a bit, and you'll get it. | ||
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| [2009/05/13 14:49:17] <joe-mac> fixed that problem, very weird | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:49:21] <joe-mac> with my pre-commit | ||
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| [2009/05/13 14:50:15] <joe-mac> mikepea_: http://www.pastie.org/477158 | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:50:17] <joe-mac> YMMV | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:50:20] <joe-mac> but that works pretty good for me | ||
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| [2009/05/13 14:52:37] <mikepea_> joe-mac: cool, thanks. | ||
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| [2009/05/13 14:53:36] <joe-mac> mikepea_: i just noticed an english error in one of the errro messages, in the ruby syntax check block it says bash in the error | ||
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| [2009/05/13 14:56:07] <barnowl> Back to a question I was asking earlier but got pulled away for longer than I expected, I need to call a module::class from inside another module. | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:56:45] <barnowl> well "require =>" it really. but I can not figure out how to get it to work. | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:57:44] <rgsteele||work> Hm. Perusing the 0.25 changelogs, but haven't seen what I'm after. Are there plans to handle the case where parent directories for file/directory targets are missing? As it stands on 0.24.8, missing parent directories result in errors. | ||
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| [2009/05/13 14:59:36] <joe-mac> rgsteele||work: the devs had a chat about that on ghere one day, it's more difficult tghan it seems, because you could have managed resources within the file structure that interfere | ||
| [2009/05/13 14:59:44] <dan_chen> plathrop, Volcane: that did it. Thanks guys! | ||
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| [2009/05/13 15:01:28] <barnowl> rgsteele: as I recall you have to explicitly mange the dir. structure, but the managed parents will be automatically required by things in subdirectories. | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:02:15] <rgsteele||work> joe-mac: Seems to me that Puppet should be able to check if that's the case. | ||
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| [2009/05/13 15:05:00] <barnowl> Rgsteele: puppet does not know anything about hte system except what you tell it. It would be very hard for the server to know how the client is configured. I believe that was the gist fo the problem | ||
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| [2009/05/13 15:11:03] <happymcplaksin> Does 0.25 and/or Passenger get you more useful entries in Apache's access log? As-is all we get in the log is "POST /RPC2"? | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:13:54] <lak> happymcplaksin: 0.25 will provide *much* more meaningful http logs - you'll get the full url we're requesting | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:14:05] <lak> e.g., "GET /production/file_content/path/to/file" | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:14:16] <joe-mac> hm i have a bunch of puppetmasters running and one of them keeps getting Could not call: can't convert nil into String | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:14:21] <lak> or "PUT "/production/facts/host.domain.com" | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:14:24] <joe-mac> anybody know how i can fifgure out whats happening | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:14:34] <lak> joe-mac: get a stacktrace with --trace | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:15:46] <joe-mac> lak: it seems to only be happening on one of the threads, i can't get more info while it's live? | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:15:57] <lak> nope :/ | ||
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| [2009/05/13 15:15:59] <joe-mac> i mean, one of the puppet masters... not thread in general ruby sense | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:16:07] <lak> well, you maybe could if you got it in gdb or something | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:16:12] <happymcplaksin> lak: Thanks! That's awesome! | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:16:17] <lak> or if you're running on solaris or os x and know dtrace | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:16:25] <lak> happymcplaksin: yeah, much more clarity | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:16:50] <happymcplaksin> About 2 weeks ago our file-serving puppetmaster started having load spikes once a day. We still haven't figured out why | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:17:39] <joe-mac> that really sucks. i have no idea how to definitively capture the problem with adding --trace to all puppetmasters, which will generate ridioculous amounts of logs | ||
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| [2009/05/13 15:18:08] <joe-mac> i'm doin it! | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:18:14] <joe-mac> i'm crazy | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:19:17] <chadh> joe-mac: I think --trace just adds a traceback when there is a crash, so it shouldn't be that much. now --debug --verbose ... | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:19:23] <lak> joe-mac: it shouldn't generate crazy logs, since it's only for exceptions | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:19:27] <joe-mac> ah ok | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:19:43] <lak> joe-mac: but --trace only works if the masters are in the foreground, since they print to stdout | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:19:46] <MrHeavy> lak: Come to NY so I can buy you a beer please | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:19:51] <lak> i'm working on it :) | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:19:57] <joe-mac> really? | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:20:05] <joe-mac> ah that fails then | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:20:17] <joe-mac> lol, also i forgot i push my puppetmaster init script out via puppet | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:20:25] <joe-mac> so it over wrote my DAEMON_OPTS change anyways lol | ||
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| [2009/05/13 15:21:26] <MrHeavy> My environment is up to 5000 lines of Puppet manifests | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:21:28] <MrHeavy> I hate academia | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:21:48] <lak> heh | ||
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| [2009/05/13 15:36:21] <barnowl> Do we have module wizard in here. I am trying to find s olution or the documentation (seen it before) on requires between namespaces. | ||
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| [2009/05/13 15:37:13] <lak> barnowl: just capitalize all the terms | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:37:20] <lak> require => Foo::Bar::Baz[mystuff] | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:37:52] <barnowl> Thank you I knew it was easy, but could not find were I had seen it documented. Off to test it. | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:38:06] @ Quit: rasputnik: Success | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:41:03] <barnowl> Alright still missing something. The class I need is in module "yum", as class "yum::rpmfusions". really only need yumrepo[rpmfusion} out of that class. | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:42:25] <barnowl> require => Yum::Rpmfusions::Yumrepo[rpmfusions] be correct? | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:44:09] <plathrop> barnowl: I think you think namespaces are more than they are. | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:44:25] <plathrop> barnowl: just Yumrepo[rpmfusions] will do the trick | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:44:57] <barnowl> I thought that would do it, but it is not. | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:45:36] <barnowl> If I call from teh main manifest it works fine. but if I t call that out of another modules as in this case it fails. | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:45:59] <plathrop> barnowl: You have to include the class, also | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:46:11] <plathrop> it doesn't automagically load it or anything | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:46:37] <plathrop> barnowl: If you *only* want that one resource, you need to refactor | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:48:00] <barnowl> That is what I am working on actually. | ||
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| [2009/05/13 15:48:14] <barnowl> May be miss using moduels at this point. | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:48:36] <barnowl> Moved all the various yumrepo stuff to one module. | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:49:19] <barnowl> works pretty well, except for teh fact that I need one repo only if the multimedia modules is used or if the monitor modules is used. | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:50:00] <barnowl> If define itin both bad things happen if I use both modules at the same time. | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:50:43] <plathrop> barnowl: yeah, you need to refactor your class structure then | ||
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| [2009/05/13 15:53:08] <barnowl> Would it better to move the yumrepo config stuff out of the module and in to the main manifests as a class. | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:53:26] <barnowl> Having yumrepos scattered all voer seems like a bad idea. | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:54:12] <plathrop> barnowl: I guess it depends. I know nothing about yum. Debian repos are basically global, so we define them in our base class | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:54:46] <plathrop> barnowl: My thought would be: if they are per-application, they belong in the module | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:55:42] <barnowl> I was working that way and ran into several case where I need certain repos in multiple modules. | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:56:01] <jbooth> I have rpmfusion in the yum module. I just include yum::rpmfusion when I need it, and require it similarly. | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:56:30] <jbooth> It is its own class within the yum module, I don't actually have a single base 'yum' class, but that's okay. | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:57:11] <barnowl> That is what I was shooting for, except I seem to hit several snags. | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:58:13] <happymcplaksin> xk | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:58:16] <happymcplaksin> sorry | ||
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| [2009/05/13 15:59:24] <barnowl> I have the repos each in there own class. | ||
| [2009/05/13 15:59:49] <barnowl> I only need a few of them for all machines so that seemed to amek more since | ||
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| [2009/05/13 16:00:51] <barnowl> Could not find dependency Yumrepo[rpmfusion-free-updates] is what I get wiht out including the call this makes sense. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:01:21] <barnowl> However if I include the class I a very different error. | ||
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| [2009/05/13 16:02:33] <dtdionne> greetings...quick question about puppet/puppetmaster, can you swap the transfer mechanizm to a builtin sshd server? | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:03:12] <dtdionne> i found this link... | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:03:18] <dtdionne> http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/PuppetCommonModules/SSH | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:03:46] <dtdionne> but it's not clear what file it actaully is...it could be the sshd_conf file and i could be a portion of the init.d file, it just doesnt say | ||
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| [2009/05/13 16:04:22] <barnowl> dtdionne: that module is for configuring sshd not changing the file transfer method. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:04:39] <dtdionne> what does it gain you with regards to puppet? | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:04:46] <barnowl> Nothing. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:05:10] <dtdionne> does it gain you anything or is it nothing more than an effort in fultility? | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:05:37] <barnowl> I think you you may be missing something. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:05:56] <dtdionne> i certainly wouldnt doubt that | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:06:00] <dtdionne> OHHHH | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:06:07] <dtdionne> its a manifest for sshd | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:06:14] <barnowl> Puppet only uses the bultin file transfer method for transfering files form teh master to the client | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:06:16] <barnowl> Bingo | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:06:54] <dtdionne> damn....that means that we'll have to tunnel it over ssh which greatly complicates things | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:07:13] <barnowl> the current transfer methods are pretty secure, so I am not seeing why you would want to change it on that front. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:07:42] <barnowl> I believe it is alreading using an ssl encrypt based on the puppetca | ||
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| [2009/05/13 16:08:06] <dtdionne> I work in an exteremly high security realm and the only ports or port available to us over the wans is 22 | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:08:18] <barnowl> It has not been a priority for me to check that though. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:08:28] <barnowl> oh yeah your going to have to tunnel it. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:08:54] <dtdionne> we spent the last 2.75 years petitioning for 443 and 8443 and we just got shot down last week | ||
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| [2009/05/13 16:09:18] <barnowl> you would still have to tunnel the basic client server communitcation anyway. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:09:24] <jbooth> Or you could just run the puppetmaster on port 22? | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:09:36] <barnowl> that is not extremely secure that is bloody paranoid. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:09:41] <jbooth> You won't be able to ssh to the puppetmaster then, but... | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:10:48] <dtdionne> yes, but i completely understand their reasonings....well, what I was hoping was that puppet would allow an existing or could sufficently control an existing sshd/sshc archetecture in place of the transfer mechanizm...that make sense? | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:11:01] <barnowl> yeah. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:11:38] <dtdionne> with ssh certs and all, its almost a perfect wholesale swap | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:12:07] <dtdionne> we'd even be willing to let puppet host the sshd server as long as it would honor client connections | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:12:28] <barnowl> Hit the mailing list wiht this one. there are some guys in there doing some stuff over wans and internet with tunneling that might give you some pointers. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:12:30] <plathrop> barnowl: I'd say idiotic, myself. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:12:53] <plathrop> crazy | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:13:28] <plathrop> dtdionne: Tell those folks tht the system will not be truly secure until you turn it off and incinerate the hard drive | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:13:55] <dtdionne> well, ive already got it tunneling but that's an ultra grey area...one where if I asked permission im not sure what the answer would be and if I just did it in production and got caught without asking im not sure what the punishment would be. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:14:05] <plathrop> certainly it is time to disconnect it from the network. ssh has had insecurities, after all. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:14:28] <plathrop> psychotic. I couldn't work in an environment like that. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:14:46] <dtdionne> i understand where your comming from but im sure that you would fully understand if you spent a day with me...most intelligent pepole get it right away | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:15:01] <barnowl> They are really make it hard to do your job. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:15:02] <dtdionne> sure you could ;) | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:15:09] <dtdionne> nah, not really | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:15:34] <dtdionne> challanging yes, but ive never learned anything unless it was challanging, frought with setbacks | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:15:49] <dtdionne> find the love and glory in the struggle in the journey | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:16:13] <dtdionne> and the funding is INSANE so you wont ever hear me knocking them | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:16:13] <plathrop> dtdionne: I can't think of a single thing that actually requires that kind of "security" because that is theater, not actual security. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:16:22] <barnowl> As long as they keep you funded and equiped to do teh job it would be alright. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:16:26] <dtdionne> youre getting close | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:16:38] <dtdionne> beyond your wildest dreams | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:16:52] <plathrop> It's all you, my friend :-P | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:17:11] <plathrop> I'm glad there are people like you who are willing to work places like that. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:18:07] <dtdionne> trust me, you'd love it if you could really see what it was...ill hit the mailing list as well as dig into the source, i was just hoping for a low haning fruit | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:18:41] <barnowl> ssl over ssh is about as secure as you can get things over a public data path | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:20:05] <dtdionne> its not encryption thats the issue, its ports and the incredible depth and analysis of those open ports from an ips/ids perspective that's the catch...the less ports the easier to secure | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:21:00] <dtdionne> which is wickedly cool in and of itself | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:21:33] <dtdionne> anyway...take care and thanks for the help | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:21:37] <barnowl> ah, thought it might be going that way. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:21:40] <barnowl> have fun. | ||
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| [2009/05/13 16:22:04] <barnowl> back to banging my head. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:22:10] <jbooth> What good is strengthening one of the stronger links in the chain when there are dozens of weaker ones? | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:22:44] <plathrop> jbooth: +100 | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:22:45] <jbooth> His users are assuredly more of a security risk than tunneling rather than pure ssh is. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:23:03] <barnowl> depends on what you are actually securing I would say. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:23:11] <jbooth> Even if he is the NSA or FBI. See also: limewire on a machine with the plans to marine one. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:24:21] <barnowl> I sometimes hate the puppet err messages they can be so unhelpful. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:24:26] <ashp> maybe he's in the mafia | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:24:31] <ashp> and if he makes a mistake they'll just kill him | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:26:10] <joe-mac> hey guys i forget which you want to upgrade first, nodes or master? | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:26:10] @ Quit: keithlard: Read error: 113 (No route to host) | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:26:14] <jbooth> There are things you don't put on the network. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:26:18] <jbooth> That's my take on it. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:26:23] <joe-mac> for instance, is it ok to have a .24.8 node connect to a .24.4 master? | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:27:08] <barnowl> Other way around I believe | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:27:20] <plathrop> joe-mac: master always first | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:27:30] <plathrop> jbooth: Again, +100 | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:27:33] <joe-mac> that sucks | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:28:04] <plathrop> joe-mac: oh-kay... It seems the only reasonable way to do it. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:28:07] <plathrop> to me, at least | ||
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| [2009/05/13 16:28:20] <barnowl> plathrop: it seems obtuse err messegs are the culprit on my problem. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:28:36] <plathrop> barnowl: I'm not surprised. The messages can be hard to decipher at times | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:28:41] <joe-mac> plathrop: yea, i'm just saying 'that sucks' because of my situation with openbsd | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:29:01] <plathrop> joe-mac: ah, a personal 'that sucks'... sorry, dude | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:29:23] * plathrop hopes not to insult people by using 'dude' as a generc term | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:29:44] <joe-mac> no i use it liberally | ||
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| [2009/05/13 16:31:07] <barnowl> It thinks I am trying to define the same resource twice. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:35:50] <barnowl> Make some progress to end up back were I was arggh | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:36:30] <barnowl> fixed the problems in the class, I found those becuase it is now included correctly in the module. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:37:04] <barnowl> and now it is still having issues finding the yumrepo[rpmfusions] resources | ||
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| [2009/05/13 16:41:01] <zahna> are there profiling strategies for figuring out why my catalog runs are taking 10-12 seconds? | ||
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| [2009/05/13 16:51:55] <chadh> Is it just me, or is reductivelabs.com slow? | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:51:59] <grim_fandango> Hi folks. Quick question for ya. I have /etc/puppet symlinked to /home/puppet. Whenever I run puppetmasterd it destroys the symlink and places a real directory in its place. It is possible to convince puppetmasterd NOT to do this or do I need to do something else to work around it? | ||
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| [2009/05/13 16:55:20] <chadh> here's an easy question that I should know the answer to, but I don't. If the "source" parameter of the file type is a local file path, is that path relative to puppet master or client? | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:56:25] <chadh> grim_fandango: Why don't you just use the --confdir option to puppetmasterd? | ||
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| [2009/05/13 16:57:04] <grim_fandango> chadh: Well heck, that's just too easy :-) | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:57:19] <grim_fandango> I was hoping not to use any special switches but if it's the only way so be it. | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:57:33] <plathrop> chadh: client | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:57:37] <chadh> grim_fandango: that's easy enough to do with the master, but you have to always specify it (or alias it, I guess) to puppetca | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:57:40] <chadh> plathrop: thanks! | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:57:57] <joe-mac> zahna: 10-12 seconds on every run? how complicated are tyour manifests? | ||
| [2009/05/13 16:58:24] <joe-mac> when mine do nothing thye take about 1. something seconds. when they do a couple things, they take about 10-20 seconds, on the first run from OS install they take anywhere from 100-250 seconds | ||
| [2009/05/13 17:00:43] <zahna> well, each manifest isn't very complicated, but i have a bunch | ||
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| [2009/05/13 17:10:13] <grim_fandango> chadh: Thanks, eh. --confdir worked fine after I changed all of my other /etc/puppet-related directories in the various .conf files. This is something I only use on the puppetmaster anyway so we're good. | ||
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| [2009/05/13 17:15:37] <chadh> grim_fandango: yeah, I reloaded my puppetmaster recently, and split out the puppetmaster pieces from the puppet client pieces, so I am doing the same | ||
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| [2009/05/13 17:16:38] <chadh> ' | ||
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| [2009/05/13 17:38:01] <joe-mac> what's the switch to run puppet only once? puppetd --runonce? | ||
| [2009/05/13 17:38:19] <hMz> --onetime | ||
| [2009/05/13 17:38:27] <joe-mac> thanks hMz | ||
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| [2009/05/13 17:38:30] <hMz> i just use -t | ||
| [2009/05/13 17:40:05] <joe-mac> isn't -t for test? | ||
| [2009/05/13 17:40:24] <joe-mac> i want it to actually apply the manifest, but then stop execution | ||
| [2009/05/13 17:41:01] <plathrop> joe-mac: -t does the job | ||
| [2009/05/13 17:41:15] <joe-mac> k | ||
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| [2009/05/13 17:44:06] <hacim> i should switch from --test to just -t | ||
| [2009/05/13 17:44:27] <joe-mac> why is it called a test if the manifest is applied? | ||
| [2009/05/13 17:44:30] <joe-mac> seems counter intuitive | ||
| [2009/05/13 17:44:58] <joe-mac> and furthermore, why is there a second long option named --onetime, if it is the same as --test | ||
| [2009/05/13 17:45:47] <plathrop> joe-mac: --onetime isn't the same as --test | ||
| [2009/05/13 17:45:54] <plathrop> joe-mac: --test is around for historical reasons | ||
| [2009/05/13 17:45:58] <hacim> i agree that --test is confusing | ||
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| [2009/05/13 17:46:12] <plathrop> joe-mac: basically, a poor naming choice made long ago that far too many people now depend on | ||
| [2009/05/13 17:46:16] <joe-mac> plathrop: what's the difference between --onetime and --test? | ||
| [2009/05/13 17:46:30] <plathrop> joe-mac: I hate to say it, but rtfm. puppetd --help | ||
| [2009/05/13 17:46:40] <joe-mac> np, thanks | ||
| [2009/05/13 17:46:43] <plathrop> joe-mac: --test is a bunch of options rolled into one. | ||
| [2009/05/13 17:47:26] <joe-mac> sweet, yea that puppetd --help shows it all right there | ||
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| [2009/05/13 18:05:43] * stick has been lobbying to get --test renamed to --run | ||
| [2009/05/13 18:06:50] <plathrop> I don't believe lak is against renaming it, he just won't do the work himself. | ||
| [2009/05/13 18:06:59] <lak> pretty much | ||
| [2009/05/13 18:07:20] <plathrop> heh. I didn't even realize you were on | ||
| [2009/05/13 18:07:34] <plathrop> I also don't care enough to patch it :-D | ||
| [2009/05/13 18:07:58] * chadh likes it the way it is ;) | ||
| [2009/05/13 18:08:28] <plathrop> seriously, chadh? why? Doesn't --test imply not taking action to you? | ||
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| [2009/05/13 18:13:33] <chadh> lol | ||
| [2009/05/13 18:13:53] <chadh> well, *now* it does. I'll never be able to use that option again. Thanks alot! | ||
| [2009/05/13 18:14:24] <plathrop> chadh: No problem. Always glad to make life difficult. | ||
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| [2009/05/13 18:15:21] <chadh> --hopeyouhavealargescrollbackbuffer ? | ||
| [2009/05/13 18:16:14] <plathrop> I like it! | ||
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| [2009/05/13 18:17:25] <chadh> ooh, --firehose | ||
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| [2009/05/13 18:17:45] <chadh> (and thrown in --debug, because it should really be a part of the current --test anyway) | ||
| [2009/05/13 18:19:49] <plathrop> chadh: No way! debug is way too verbose for me... :-P | ||
| [2009/05/13 18:21:06] <plathrop> seriously though I wouldn't want that. | ||
| [2009/05/13 18:21:55] <chadh> maybe it's just me, then. I always use --test --debug --trace when I am manually running a client | ||
| [2009/05/13 18:22:43] <plathrop> chadh: yeah, I rarely do that | ||
| [2009/05/13 18:23:08] <plathrop> I do --test, only busting out --debug for weird problems, and --trace when I'm completely stumped | ||
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| [2009/05/13 18:48:22] <hacim> what about --verbose too? | ||
| [2009/05/13 18:48:47] <plathrop> I believe --verbose is built into --test | ||
| [2009/05/13 18:50:26] <lak> yeah | ||
| [2009/05/13 18:53:35] <joe-mac> yea --test has verbose, puppetd --help shows the four options | ||
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| [2009/05/13 19:14:21] <dan_chen> are --confdir and --pidfile mutually exclusive? | ||
| [2009/05/13 19:17:01] <chadh> dan_chen: I can't imagine they would be. What are you seeing? | ||
| [2009/05/13 19:18:09] <dan_chen> so I have a confdir for puppetmaster | ||
| [2009/05/13 19:18:17] <dan_chen> I've commented out the pidfile option in there | ||
| [2009/05/13 19:18:33] <dan_chen> and i have a script which starts up multiple puppetmasters (for mongrel) with different --pidfiles | ||
| [2009/05/13 19:18:40] <dan_chen> but they don't seem to be following that | ||
| [2009/05/13 19:18:52] <dan_chen> when I remove the --confdir option, the different --pidfiles work | ||
| [2009/05/13 19:20:21] <chadh> hmm, well, actually I use --confdir and different pidfilesand it works fine | ||
| [2009/05/13 19:20:31] <chadh> what version of puppet? | ||
| [2009/05/13 19:20:44] <dan_chen> 0.24.4 | ||
| [2009/05/13 19:20:55] <dan_chen> let me make sure I didn't do something stupid with my config file | ||
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| [2009/05/13 19:21:23] <dan_chen> yeah, pidfile is definitely commented out.. | ||
| [2009/05/13 19:21:49] <chadh> that version is pretty old, so it is possible there is a bug | ||
| [2009/05/13 19:22:09] <dan_chen> oh, okay | ||
| [2009/05/13 19:22:18] <chadh> it should work, though | ||
| [2009/05/13 19:29:39] <chadh> ls | ||
| [2009/05/13 19:29:49] <chadh> crap | ||
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| [2009/05/13 20:12:00] <gepetto> ::trac:: Why Autosign IsDangerous edited by jamtur01 @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/WhyAutosignIsDangerous (by james@lovedthanlost.net) | ||
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| [2009/05/13 21:52:31] <mib_sb34ht> Could someone explain puppet to a newbie | ||
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| [2009/05/13 22:46:49] <cwebber_> so random question of the day... do you have to set the mode on the file if it is already correctly set on the file server? | ||
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| [2009/05/13 22:52:07] <hacim> cwebber: no, but if you want to keep the mode set in case it changes, then you should | ||
| [2009/05/13 22:52:24] <cwebber> hacim: thanks | ||
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