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| [2009/05/04 00:24:52] <rellis_> Does puppet verify the environment matches the manifests in use at a set interval? | ||
| [2009/05/04 00:25:02] <rellis_> is there a way to make puppet do this? | ||
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| [2009/05/04 00:51:19] <MrHeavy_> Hey guys, I just wanted to share a completely real and not at all fictionalized line from Cfengine 3's documentation: | ||
| [2009/05/04 00:51:22] <MrHeavy_> "We speak of a promiser (the abstract object making the promise), the promisee is the abstract object to whom the promise is made, and them there is a list of associations that we call the `body' of the promise, which together with the promiser-type tells us what it is all about." | ||
| [2009/05/04 00:51:46] <MrHeavy_> And I want to congratulate all the devs who make Puppet such a great product. :) | ||
| [2009/05/04 00:52:43] <MrHeavy_> And the documentation writers who don't have the narrative style of J. Glenn Gray translating Martin Heidegger. | ||
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| [2009/05/04 01:18:39] <ricky> Anybody having issues with the wiki right now? I'm getting a traceback at http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/TypeReference: http://dpaste.com/40718/ | ||
| [2009/05/04 01:21:55] <ssm> ricky: seems to work for me, but it's slower than usual. Perhaps it was just restarted | ||
| [2009/05/04 01:22:35] <ricky> Yup, it works for me as well now, thanks | ||
| [2009/05/04 01:22:42] <ricky> Although slow, as you said | ||
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| [2009/05/04 01:46:33] <jamesturnbull> rellis_: yes it does check this | ||
| [2009/05/04 01:47:40] <jamesturnbull> rellis_: if you're running the puppetd daemon it does this every 30 mins by default | ||
| [2009/05/04 01:48:12] <jamesturnbull> rellis_: you can also in run in noop mode that just tells you what is different in the environment from your manifests rather than changing your enbvironment to match your manifests | ||
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| [2009/05/04 02:43:56] <rellis_> jamesturnbull: Thanks. I was being impatient :) | ||
| [2009/05/04 02:44:43] <jamesturnbull> rellis_: no worries - doco is good to read plus http://tinyurl.com/puppetbook (caveat being I wrote it) :) | ||
| [2009/05/04 02:44:58] <rellis_> hah, i'll have to check that out | ||
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| [2009/05/04 05:52:58] <asachs> Does any one know how to force a apt-get update before installing new software on a node (got a slightly dodgy satellite network and sometimes the croned apt-get updates leave stale/broken package descriptors) | ||
| [2009/05/04 05:53:21] <Volcane> only way is to make an exec that runs each time puppet runs | ||
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| [2009/05/04 05:53:44] <asachs> Volcane: erg, was hoping that would not be the case | ||
| [2009/05/04 05:54:26] <asachs> Volcane: thx will see if that improves things | ||
| [2009/05/04 05:55:05] <Volcane> say you called it apt-get-update you can put in site.pp Package{ require => Exec["apt-get-update"] } and it will be required for all | ||
| [2009/05/04 05:57:32] <asachs> Volcane: great about to give that a whirl | ||
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| [2009/05/04 06:16:36] <HarryCalahan> is there a changelog for puppet 0.25.0 ? | ||
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| [2009/05/04 06:20:42] <ohadlevy> I'm having issues with 0.25 with short hostnames, anyone else saw that "invalid pattern hostname" ? | ||
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| [2009/05/04 07:01:40] <jamesturnbull> HarryCalahan: http://projects.reductivelabs.com/versions/show/3 | ||
| [2009/05/04 07:01:56] <HarryCalahan> thanks | ||
| [2009/05/04 07:01:58] <jamesturnbull> ohadlevy: I haven't - can you please log a ticket? | ||
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| [2009/05/04 07:11:52] <HarryCalahan> . o O (Coffee and Cookies) | ||
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| [2009/05/04 07:40:05] <johan-s> what the default timeout for commands, and where can one change it (preferably locally to this manifest)? | ||
| [2009/05/04 07:40:35] <ibt> you mean for exec? | ||
| [2009/05/04 07:40:42] <johan-s> yeah | ||
| [2009/05/04 07:41:18] <johan-s> got one for compiling a pkg instead of installing it | ||
| [2009/05/04 07:41:32] <johan-s> and the make seems to be what times out | ||
| [2009/05/04 07:41:43] <HarryCalahan> Exec { timeout => 42; } | ||
| [2009/05/04 07:41:54] <ibt> is there some benefit of doing that over using package management? | ||
| [2009/05/04 07:42:14] <johan-s> ibt: no :) | ||
| [2009/05/04 07:42:36] <johan-s> HarryCalahan: seconds? | ||
| [2009/05/04 07:42:40] <HarryCalahan> yes | ||
| [2009/05/04 07:42:42] <johan-s> thanks | ||
| [2009/05/04 07:42:45] <HarryCalahan> http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/TypeReference#exec | ||
| [2009/05/04 07:44:19] <ibt> johan-s: default seems to be 300 | ||
| [2009/05/04 07:45:07] <ibt> johan-s: it's the last line of the "newparam(:timeout) do" block in type/exec.rb | ||
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| [2009/05/04 09:01:01] * Volcane wonders what this is all about in 0.25.0 puppetmasterd[6026]: DEPRECATION NOTICE: Found module 'rsyslog' without using the 'modules' mount; please prefix path with 'modules/' | ||
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| [2009/05/04 09:11:37] <ibt> Volcane: where is the rsyslog module located? | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:12:00] <Volcane> figured it out, 0.25.0 wants all source => properties changed :( | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:12:17] <Volcane> puppet://puppet/rsyslog/foo should become puppet://puppet/modules/rsyslog/foo | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:12:48] <ibt> wow, that sounds like a major change | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:13:13] <Volcane> it still works, just warns, but yeah PITA++ | ||
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| [2009/05/04 09:18:04] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: the prevous behavour is being deprecated - it should still fine but it will warn you | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:18:12] <Volcane> yeah LOTS of warning :P | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:18:48] <Volcane> defo worth giving peoples headsup in release notes | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:18:58] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: yeah sorry - missed that one | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:19:09] <Volcane> have a few others, will mail the list | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:19:18] <jamesturnbull> great thanks | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:19:40] <Volcane> like pluginsignore that seems to have a different default now = dead clients as it tries to load .svn/entries as plugins :P | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:20:03] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: those sounds like bugs | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:20:39] <Volcane> weirdly though my puppetd --genconfig on new and old produce the same output for that setting, so something more subtle, but just adding the config option solves it | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:20:44] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: can you log a ticket instead please | ||
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| [2009/05/04 09:20:49] <Volcane> yeah | ||
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| [2009/05/04 09:21:05] <Volcane> i have patches to the redhat spec file, also a ticket? | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:21:21] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: nah just email me and I'll patch it now | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:21:39] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: or send me a commit/branch | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:21:43] <Volcane> ok, still need to figure out what needs doing with the init script wrt puppetqd | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:21:51] * Volcane has no git knowledge atm :) | ||
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| [2009/05/04 09:25:07] <realist> jamesturnbull: know of any showstopping cons to using EPEL puppet(master) packages? | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:25:38] <realist> I've finally convinced the right people that we're going to manage the SOE using puppet | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:25:47] <Volcane> realist: its fine, as long as you're happy with their augeas enforced requirement | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:25:51] <Forconin> Is it possible to get puppet to monitor a website and restart a specific service if the website goes down? | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:26:30] <jamesturnbull> realist: no issues that I have seen - except as Volcane has pointed out they require the augeas package | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:26:35] <realist> Volcane: I noticed that, we'll probably use augeas resource types anyway | ||
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| [2009/05/04 09:27:00] <jamesturnbull> Forconin: well yes in a convoluted way | ||
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| [2009/05/04 09:27:08] <jamesturnbull> Forconin: but why not use Nagios or the like? | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:27:12] <Volcane> realist: nods, well i tend to build them myself cos i dont want anyone using it here, other than that i think its fine | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:27:19] <realist> I'd prefer to be using gems, and our own package builds | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:27:26] <jamesturnbull> Forconin: that'd be a much closer fit for purpose for an EM tool | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:27:45] <jamesturnbull> realist: I'll forgive you the gems comment | ||
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| [2009/05/04 09:28:05] <realist> jamesturnbull: are gems badness? | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:28:22] <jamesturnbull> realist: I am not a fan but YMMV | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:28:29] <Forconin> jamesturnbull: True that. Just hoped i could avoid nagios. | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:28:55] <realist> So better off packaging from source tarball, or sucking it up and using EPEL? | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:29:02] <Forconin> But, probably the best solution i guess. | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:29:12] <jamesturnbull> realist: I would use EPEL or build your own | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:29:14] <Forconin> Seemed to me that doing it by puppet would be a lot of hassle. | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:29:23] <jamesturnbull> realist: cleaner and easier to manage MHO | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:30:16] * realist nods. | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:30:33] <realist> There's no question about using packages, just what source to use. | ||
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| [2009/05/04 09:31:30] <jamesturnbull> realist: You guys are heavy in RPM land I'd stick with that | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:31:30] <Volcane> realist: gems are bad because they're not your Operating Systems native packages. thats my general reasoning for RPM as far as posible gem2rpm them all. EPEl is fine, I wouldnt point all my machines at their servers though since its flakey at times | ||
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| [2009/05/04 09:31:43] <Volcane> realist: so RPM+local yum repo is the answer for me | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:32:09] <jamesturnbull> realist: yeah as Volcane says mirror the packages in RHSS locally | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:32:38] <realist> I wanted either one of; EPEL, gem2rpm, or custom RPM from tarball | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:33:21] <Volcane> gem2rpm on the puppet gem wouldnt deliver a Redhat filesystem standards compatible install | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:33:36] <Volcane> so either use the spec file in the puppet tarball or mirror the epel ones locally | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:33:36] <realist> Since there are no real dealbreakers with mirroring the EPEL packages locally, and it's already being piloted that way... I'll leave it as-is | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:33:49] <jamesturnbull> sounds good | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:33:59] <jamesturnbull> am pleased you persuaded them | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:34:11] <realist> It was a joint effort :-) | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:34:24] <jamesturnbull> you and the big guy? | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:34:56] <realist> Plus a cast of many | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:35:14] <realist> Giving Avi as an example might've helped too. | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:35:21] @ kambiz_away is now known as kambiz | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:35:33] <Volcane> ah defo in 0.25.0 http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#i-want-to-manage-a-directory-and-purge-its-contents this is broken :) | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:35:50] * Volcane makes tickets | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:36:15] * jamesturnbull is most please people are testing | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:36:38] * Volcane wants fast file serving badly | ||
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| [2009/05/04 09:37:53] <Llama> Hello | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:38:07] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: well tis fast - much much faster and not just file serving | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:38:10] <Llama> How can I defilne to file with same name/path ? | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:38:17] <Llama> *two files | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:38:46] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: though my initial tests is a bit slower, but could just be that my dev master is a slower machine and no mongrel etc hard to say for sure | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:41:29] <jamesturnbull> Luke and i got quite a lot of improvement but I am looking forward to seeing others results - Nigel for example | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:42:19] <jamesturnbull> but SMB and mid-size too | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:43:29] <Volcane> there #2220 | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:43:30] <gepetto> Volcane: #2220 is http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/show/2220 "Puppet - Bug #2220: Empty Directories and Purging not behaving well - ReductiveLabs.com" | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:43:46] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: yeah i am sure its my shitty slow dev | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:44:49] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: well I hope so :) | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:46:12] <Volcane> d'oh assigned wrong version, ah well:) | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:46:21] <Volcane> getting internal errors from redmine now and then | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:46:21] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: got it and fixed | ||
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| [2009/05/04 09:49:00] @ Quit: briandquinn: | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:53:55] <Volcane> and #2221 | ||
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| [2009/05/04 09:56:59] <rgsteele||work> Is there any way to filter the tagmail messages? | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:57:41] <rgsteele||work> E.g., I don't want an email every time an exec statement runs, only when it changes something. It'd be nice if I could filter out messages that are benign. | ||
| [2009/05/04 09:58:19] <Volcane> this new 'pi' binary is pretty kewl | ||
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| [2009/05/04 10:00:26] * Volcane 's not looked at tagmail for ages, but last time it sucked for those reason | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:00:50] <rgsteele||work> Yeah, it's blowin' me up with emails. | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:01:00] <rgsteele||work> I don't need 500 emails an hour, just let me know when something changes. | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:01:33] <joe-mac> i would like it if thre was a built in 'error' tag, so i could be alerted when my manifest is failing to apply only | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:03:03] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: it's old but RH don't package it for some reason | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:03:10] <Volcane> ah | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:03:21] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: spec for it that does: http://nephilim.ml.org/~rip/puppet/puppet.spec | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:03:29] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: and also the other 0.25.0 bits | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:03:49] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: cool thanks | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:05:14] <Volcane> bah, redmine pretty much screwed now | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:05:21] <Volcane> almost everything gives internal server errrors | ||
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| [2009/05/04 10:06:24] <jamesturnbull> hmmm I'll restart but is working for me | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:06:42] <Volcane> ah i think some workers must be in a bad state, some requests wrok | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:08:40] <jamesturnbull> restarted | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:08:44] <jamesturnbull> one bad worker | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:08:58] <Volcane> ah :) | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:12:49] * jamesturnbull is finished for the night | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:12:50] <jamesturnbull> later all | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:14:32] <joe-mac> see ya | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:15:15] <duritong> Volcane: cool that you can already do testing! | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:16:04] <Volcane> yeah, I am grasping at any kind of distraction from having to do my invoices and accounts :P | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:16:12] <duritong> :D | ||
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| [2009/05/04 10:16:48] <HarryCalahan> we could play an online battle of ms hearts... | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:17:19] <Volcane> heh | ||
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| [2009/05/04 10:28:41] <zeroXten> hmm, why would I get the following error on a debian lenny system "Provider useradd does not support features manages_passwords"? surely there is support for manages_passwords right? | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:29:20] <zeroXten> ah | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:29:31] <zeroXten> nevermind, just seen the "note" in the docs | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:29:42] * HarryCalahan continues to sleep | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:30:17] <zeroXten> sorry for waking you up :) | ||
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| [2009/05/04 10:53:42] <nasrat> issue #593 | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:53:43] <gepetto> nasrat: #593 is http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/show/593 "Puppet - Bug #593: Puppet's cron type struggles with vixie-cron - ReductiveLabs.com" | ||
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| [2009/05/04 10:56:11] <nasrat> hmm Malformed version number string 0.25.0beta1 | ||
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| [2009/05/04 10:56:27] <Volcane> heh, what says that? | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:57:07] <ibt> sounds like a gem error | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:57:21] <nasrat> rake on master | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:57:27] <Volcane> heh | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:57:42] <nasrat> in the mkgemtask | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:57:44] <Volcane> i upgraded the spec file from the tarball for 0.25.0 | ||
| [2009/05/04 10:57:52] <Volcane> (rpm spec file that is) | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:00:25] <nasrat> well the rubygem spec is pretty clear - "The version string must consist purely of numbers and periods." | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:01:35] <nasrat> actually that might be an old ref | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:01:57] <ashp> oh wow, 0.25 beta already | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:02:03] <ashp> i dread the work of testing this upgrade | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:02:11] <ashp> especially because my idea of 'testing' will be to deploy it globally and hope for the best | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:02:52] <HarryCalahan> fire and forget gets a new meaning, if the bullet is large enough. | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:04:05] <nasrat> yeah 1.3.2 rubygems adds - Gem::Version now understands prerelease versions using letters. (eg. | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:04:05] <nasrat> '1.2.1.b') Thanks to Josh Susser, Alex Vollmer and Phil Hagelberg. | ||
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| [2009/05/04 11:07:04] <joe-mac> hey Volcane OT, but when you do nagios reporting, does your nagios not subtract scheduled downtime from your availability report? | ||
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| [2009/05/04 11:07:27] <Volcane> donno, i use centreon for that | ||
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| [2009/05/04 11:08:02] <Volcane> and no1's asked me for availability reports ever either, its never been down enough to raise any eyebrows :P | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:08:09] <joe-mac> y4ea i might have to look into that, it's stupid doing this by hand | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:08:21] <joe-mac> the phb's like to see a shiny report every week | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:08:42] <ashp> oh god no nagios talk :( | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:08:45] <ashp> i broke nagios in puppet again | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:08:51] <ashp> and fixing it is proving to be hard | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:08:54] <Volcane> getting your status into NDO helps a lot for this kindo f thing | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:09:13] <ashp> i have an if defined(Class) thingy that was working and now suddenly it's stopped | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:09:17] <ashp> so that's kind of tricky :/ | ||
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| [2009/05/04 11:10:20] <Volcane> joe-mac: yeah it doesnt seem to have an option to ignore planned outages, not sure if maybe it counts them as soft statusses then you could ignore those, but thats pretty lame yeah | ||
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| [2009/05/04 11:14:24] <flashn> hmm, is there any support for handling maintenance etc? or do you have to stop puppetd or edit the config? | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:14:47] <Volcane> puppetd --disable | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:14:50] <Volcane> stops it from running | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:15:04] <flashn> yeah well, i might only do maintenance of one thing | ||
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| [2009/05/04 11:15:20] <flashn> --disable disables everything | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:15:21] <joe-mac> yea i ignore soft states and it *still* counts my scheduled downtime. i asked in #nagios once and a few people acted like that wasn't normal, then others were like "why wouldn't you want to have scheduled downtime in your downtime stats durrr" ... obviously i only care about unplanned downtime | ||
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| [2009/05/04 11:16:12] <flashn> Volcane, whats the difference between stopping and running --disable? | ||
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| [2009/05/04 11:16:29] <Volcane> your monitoring wont go mental cos there's no puppetd's running :P | ||
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| [2009/05/04 11:17:22] <flashn> my point is.. I cant really use puppet for maintaining status of services if there's no smooth way of telling puppetmaster that this node and this particular test is under maintenance | ||
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| [2009/05/04 11:17:45] <flashn> disabling the whole thing, or editing the config is not really smooth.. | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:17:49] <Volcane> you cant just tell it to stop managing a specific set of resources without editing the node yeah | ||
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| [2009/05/04 11:18:47] <joe-mac> you could use Net::Ssh in ruby to go and stop stuff for maintenance. or use capistrano. | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:18:56] <flashn> yeah | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:20:22] <flashn> but I really dont need to enforce such policies since I have regular monitoring of services / ports | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:21:30] <joe-mac> yea, if you really need automatic starting up of stopped services you can make an event broker. if you just want to know and do it yourself then you're already done, which is nice heh | ||
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| [2009/05/04 11:22:21] <flashn> I have NOC personnel to monitor and restart/start daemons if theyre down | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:22:59] <HarryCalahan> flashn: but you could replace them with a small script.... | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:23:01] <flashn> so I might just skip that part, just adding the cronjob to make sure puppet is always up and running | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:23:29] <flashn> sure, theoretically | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:23:33] <flashn> but not practically >:P | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:23:51] <HarryCalahan> what about adding a custom fact that is true when some flag-file exists and then holds any service stuff from beeing executed? | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:24:45] <flashn> guess so, Ill think of something >:) | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:24:51] <ashp> i guess hypothetically what you want is for whatever handles the node database | ||
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| [2009/05/04 11:24:55] <ashp> to be capable of setting nodes to states | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:24:59] <ashp> such as maintenance etc | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:25:22] <ashp> that would actually be pretty nice as I regularly go in and stop puppet running on boxes locally while meddling or doing other stuff that's not puppet handled so it doesn't trash it in the meantime | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:25:31] <chadh> I don't suppose anyone is using VServer with RHEL5 here? | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:26:41] * joe-mac stabs vserver | ||
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| [2009/05/04 11:27:24] <flashn> ashp, Im not fond to the idea of stopping all of puppet when for example the only thing you wanna do is shutdown httpd for a while | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:27:37] <Volcane> whats the harm? | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:28:05] <ashp> yeah generally it hasn't been much of a problem for me to just stop it totally during any kind of maintenance on the work (well, maintenance that doesn't involve puppet being ran) | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:28:25] <ashp> it would be nice to flag a node as in maintenance and still run puppet (because the work was done there) and have it not monitor automatically for a while | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:28:33] <Volcane> you'd end up having to guess what modules will impact you while working etc, and then you forget to re-enable some etc | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:28:34] <ashp> probably be more of a concern in a bigger environment tho | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:28:36] <flashn> there's no much harm, but I dont like the idea, and for this particular environment its not good | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:28:41] <Volcane> sounds like a nightmare | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:28:46] <flashn> 2000 servers, and in a VERY complex setup | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:28:56] <flashn> divided into 100 segments | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:29:35] <flashn> I dont wanna get chased around the office when something gets messy >:P | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:29:56] <Volcane> donno, sounds like a bigger mess to me to try and figure out what bits of puppet to disable if it really is that complex | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:29:58] <flashn> I will implement stuff gradually working my way down to handling services and more complex stuff | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:30:19] <joe-mac> flashn: how are you managing all of those boxes currently? cfengine? | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:30:25] <flashn> nope | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:30:31] <Volcane> if its that finicky/complex/fragile, shut puppet, do work, run --test --noop to see what will change and then enable it properly when done maintenance | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:30:32] <flashn> we're not managing them at all | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:30:34] <joe-mac> glue + gum + popsickle sticks? | ||
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| [2009/05/04 11:31:11] <joe-mac> wow, i guess you'll be living in your cube/office for a few months. remember shaving and showering only cuts into computer time. | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:31:33] <HarryCalahan> gum = resin + suga | ||
| [2009/05/04 11:31:36] <HarryCalahan> +r | ||
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| [2009/05/04 11:44:29] <gepetto> ::trac:: Recipes/Monit edited by lstep @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/Recipes/Monit (by lior@gradstein.info) | ||
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| [2009/05/04 12:05:35] <ashp> i wonder who'll be first to publish a activeMQ puppet module | ||
| [2009/05/04 12:05:49] <ashp> i still think that all instructions on the wiki to install anything should mandate a module with it :) | ||
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| [2009/05/04 12:12:37] * Volcane has a activemq module :) | ||
| [2009/05/04 12:12:47] <Volcane> rpm, init scripts all that jazz | ||
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| [2009/05/04 12:23:17] <teratoma> leaving the building cuts down on computer time | ||
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| [2009/05/04 12:32:21] * Volcane ponders ways to keep regional puppetmasters in sync wrt ssl certs | ||
| [2009/05/04 12:32:47] <joe-mac> use your location extlookup thing to serve out the certs from an uberpuppetmaster | ||
| [2009/05/04 12:33:11] <Volcane> nope, want them standalone | ||
| [2009/05/04 12:33:45] <Volcane> and would hate to have to pre-create certs | ||
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| [2009/05/04 12:34:20] <joe-mac> yea that would suck | ||
| [2009/05/04 12:34:21] <Volcane> all i want is to point my puppet cname to different machines using my Geo DNS | ||
| [2009/05/04 12:34:47] <joe-mac> well, then wouldn't all your masters just have | ||
| [2009/05/04 12:34:53] <joe-mac> puppet in the CN field, and it wouldn't complain? | ||
| [2009/05/04 12:35:08] <Volcane> yeah, except if i say loose a master and want to point clients at another | ||
| [2009/05/04 12:35:25] <Volcane> i guess all i need really is to have the same CA on them both | ||
| [2009/05/04 12:35:28] <Volcane> thats easy enough | ||
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| [2009/05/04 12:36:59] <Volcane> and boy will aggregating reports suck, though I already have a AMQ bus so i guess a simple custom report handler wont be too hard | ||
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| [2009/05/04 13:42:47] <joe-mac> anybody know where i can find sys/proctable | ||
| [2009/05/04 13:42:58] <joe-mac> the check_puppet.rb script isn't seeing it | ||
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| [2009/05/04 14:49:05] <vachon> hey guys, what support is there for CPAN installs via puppet? | ||
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| [2009/05/04 15:10:30] <rgsteele||work> Cool. After some procmail and perl hand-waving, I have meaningful, sane-looking, not-500-emails-an-hour tagmail reports | ||
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| [2009/05/04 15:31:17] <goozbach> tagmail? | ||
| [2009/05/04 15:32:07] <rgsteele||work> http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/ReportReference | ||
| [2009/05/04 15:34:34] <plathrop> jamesturnbull: ping | ||
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| [2009/05/04 15:57:05] <halflife08> hello folks, i am trying to understand what name in service means, does it refer to the script in /etc/init.d or the daemon that the script spawns off ? | ||
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| [2009/05/04 16:04:27] <plathrop> halflife08: By default, for the init.d provider, it means the name of the scrips rather than the daemon | ||
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| [2009/05/04 16:04:56] <plathrop> halflife08: some caveats: if the names are different, and the script doesn't support "status", you'll need to set the pattern parameter | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:05:55] <halflife08> plathrop: ok thanks | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:06:15] <plathrop> halflife08: sure | ||
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| [2009/05/04 16:39:43] <mconigliaro> hey guys, can someone tell me what this fileserver.conf does? mine is not set up correctly, and puppet is still able to transfer files | ||
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| [2009/05/04 16:40:03] <mconigliaro> is this if i wanted to set up per-module restrictions? | ||
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| [2009/05/04 16:50:24] <agaffney> mconigliaro: fileserver.conf does not affect modules, apparently | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:50:32] <agaffney> and it's not possible to do restrictions for the modules | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:50:47] <agaffney> at least, according to the book "Pulling Strings with Puppet" | ||
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| [2009/05/04 16:52:10] <mconigliaro> thats weird | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:52:14] <mconigliaro> what does it do then? | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:52:29] <agaffney> it's for setting up non-module file directories | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:52:34] <mconigliaro> ah, ok | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:52:36] <agaffney> such as /etc/puppet/files/ | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:52:37] <ch> is the reductivelabs trac broken right now? | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:52:43] <ch> nvm, seems to work again | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:53:07] <mconigliaro> well wait, whats a non module file? | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:53:14] <mconigliaro> if i wanted to distribute a file, id use a module | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:53:18] <mconigliaro> file { .. } | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:53:49] <agaffney> I just mean a file that's outside of a module | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:53:53] <agaffney> you don't *have* to use a module | ||
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| [2009/05/04 16:54:54] <mconigliaro> hmm, i think i understand | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:55:03] <mconigliaro> so i could do something like | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:55:38] <mconigliaro> source => puppet:///whatever/something | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:55:43] <mconigliaro> whatever is not a podule | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:55:46] <mconigliaro> *module | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:55:48] <agaffney> yes | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:56:08] <mconigliaro> so i would make a [whatever] section in fileserver.conf | ||
| [2009/05/04 16:56:36] <mconigliaro> makes sense, thanks | ||
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| [2009/05/04 17:20:19] <sigmonsays> damn, my puppet install is jacked | ||
| [2009/05/04 17:20:28] <sigmonsays> things are failing with "wrong number of argumetns (2 for 1)" | ||
| [2009/05/04 17:20:35] <sigmonsays> seems anything that gets executed | ||
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| [2009/05/04 17:25:04] <ZummiG777> Question: Is there a debug switch I can throw during a run of puppetd that shows me exactly what puppet is doing at the time? I get points where puppet 'hangs,' ruby keeps running at 25% CPU and I wonder what it is doing in the background that I might need to change a setting for.... | ||
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| [2009/05/04 17:27:19] <plathrop> ZummiG777: did you try --debug? | ||
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| [2009/05/04 17:29:34] <ZummiG777> plathrop: No, I was under the impression that was for internal development use - let me do that now. | ||
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| [2009/05/04 17:49:29] <jamesturnbull> plathrop: pong | ||
| [2009/05/04 17:50:13] <plathrop> jamesturnbull: Just curious how long you think the beta period for 0.25 will be | ||
| [2009/05/04 17:50:31] <jamesturnbull> plathrop: depends how many issues we find | ||
| [2009/05/04 17:50:39] <plathrop> I'd love to beta test it, but this is a bad week for me, I'm out half the week. | ||
| [2009/05/04 17:50:40] <jamesturnbull> plathrop: hpefully less than a month | ||
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| [2009/05/04 17:52:07] <plathrop> jamesturnbull: Okay, cool. When I get back we'll do a beta test over here at Digg. | ||
| [2009/05/04 17:57:16] <jamesturnbull> plathrop: thanks | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:03:30] <jamesturnbull> sigmonsays: version? --trace --debug pastie? | ||
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| [2009/05/04 18:05:09] <jamesturnbull> joe-mac: http://raa.ruby-lang.org/project/sys-proctable/ | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:05:34] <joe-mac> jamesturnbull: is it not part of the standard ruby distribution/ | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:06:38] <jamesturnbull> joe-mac: nope | ||
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| [2009/05/04 18:08:25] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: can I email the list your 0.25.0 spec file btw? | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:08:38] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: or can you :P | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:14:59] <sigmonsays> jamesturnbull, I'll let it fail :) | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:15:02] <sigmonsays> it's on FC4 | ||
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| [2009/05/04 18:25:52] <ZummiG777> Next Question: I've been running with the --test option always. What benefits/drawbacks are there by using the puppet cache? | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:26:29] <ZummiG777> Say I manually remove a program installed by puppet - will it catch that and reinstall? | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:26:52] <ZummiG777> What if a user modifies permissions of a file that puppet manages, will that still be caught? | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:27:03] <ZummiG777> What speed benefit is usual by using the cache? | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:27:10] <nigelk> ZummiG777: a lot of this depends on the platforms | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:27:15] <nigelk> and the providers thereof | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:27:42] <nigelk> if puppet can't talk to the puppet servers, it will fall back to the cache | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:28:10] <nigelk> and basically apply just about everything other than File resources (assuming it can't talk to the puppet server to retrieve them either) | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:28:11] <ZummiG777> Ah, so it isn't a cache of what is installed on the system, it is a cache of what the server says? | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:28:22] <nigelk> yes. | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:28:34] <nigelk> it's also not dynamic, it's compiled | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:28:34] <wilturn> ZummiG777, for instance, if you chattr a file immutable, puppet wont undo that and clobber the file on the target.. I use that as an ugly workaround when I need to 1-off things | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:28:45] <nigelk> ie if resource "foo" depends on the value of some fact as to whether it gets applied | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:29:01] <nigelk> if that fact changes when running from the cache, it won't change the behaviour | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:29:19] <ZummiG777> So there won't be a speed benefit - good to know. | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:29:34] <nigelk> there's a feature request in to allow puppet to only operate from the cache | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:29:41] <nigelk> but I don't believe it's been done yet | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:30:45] <ZummiG777> So - really - is there a benefit in not using the --test flag? | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:31:21] <nigelk> well it's simpler than typing --verbose --onetime --no-daemonize :) | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:31:26] <nigelk> --no-cache | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:31:40] <ZummiG777> You just type slow :) | ||
| [2009/05/04 18:31:51] <nigelk> no, I just have to trigger puppet runs a lot :) | ||
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| [2009/05/04 18:50:24] <jamesturnbull> sigmonsays: but what Puppet version | ||
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| [2009/05/04 19:12:06] <ed209> I have a strange issue, in our lab we use short hostnames for everything ( without the trailing domain ), the first time a puppet client contacts to puppetmaster it hands over the shortname.crt which we sign | ||
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| [2009/05/04 19:12:35] <ed209> the second time it runs, it creates a second cert for the full name and then hands that to the puppetmaster | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:12:44] <ed209> which we then need to also sign | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:13:07] @ Quit: jtimberman: | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:13:23] <ed209> for the life of me, I can't see what is making it change | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:13:43] <ed209> the hosts file isn't modified, the nsswitch isn't touched, hostname doesn't change, sysconfig/network isn't touched | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:14:00] <ed209> we update the resolv.conf search domain though | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:14:45] <jrojas> ed209: do the names resolve to fqdn? | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:15:07] <jrojas> i think puppet does a dns lookup of the ip addr or something | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:15:25] <ed209> nope | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:15:31] <jrojas> hm | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:15:36] <ed209> ya | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:15:50] <ed209> when I dig either the ip or the hostname I get NXdomain | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:16:00] <jrojas> odd. | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:16:16] <ed209> when I ping by the hostname ( testing local hosts resolution ) it doesn't expand to the full name | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:16:42] <ed209> its blowin my mind | ||
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| [2009/05/04 19:19:53] <jrojas> what does facter -p domain | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:19:55] <jrojas> say? | ||
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| [2009/05/04 19:20:40] <ed209> comes back with the full domain name | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:20:58] <ed209> sorry, it comes back with just the domain | ||
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| [2009/05/04 19:22:09] <jrojas> ed209: so somewhere facter can resolve the domain, which means puppet can as well. | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:22:19] <ed209> I'm just clobbering a machine right now to test what facter says before I do the initial puppet run | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:22:43] <ed209> if facter doesn't have a domain before, then I think we've figgered it out | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:23:12] <ed209> btw cobbler + puppet ftw | ||
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| [2009/05/04 19:29:20] <jrojas> ed209: whats in your resolv.conf? | ||
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| [2009/05/04 19:32:23] <ed209> domain ed209.net | ||
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| [2009/05/04 19:33:15] <ed209> but that domain line is getting set by puppet | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:33:22] <ed209> which what I think is the culprite | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:33:36] <ed209> ooo spelling-- | ||
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| [2009/05/04 19:35:22] <jrojas> puppet wont set that domain unless you tell it to. | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:35:29] <jrojas> facter reads that line to figure out the domain | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:35:34] <ed209> I do tell it to | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:36:06] <ed209> which explains what is happening | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:36:27] <ed209> its unset at first, then puppet runs, sets it, and the second run facter sees the change and makes a new cert | ||
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| [2009/05/04 19:37:37] <ed209> if I wasn't totally lazy I'd just use fqdn's like civilized people | ||
| [2009/05/04 19:38:06] <ed209> thanks for your help jrojas | ||
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| [2009/05/04 19:45:29] <jrojas> np | ||
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| [2009/05/04 22:32:54] <walrus_> does anybody know if you put a if/else statement within a type definition? | ||
| [2009/05/04 22:33:13] <plathrop> walrus_: works for me. | ||
| [2009/05/04 22:33:22] <walrus_> yeah? | ||
| [2009/05/04 22:33:23] <walrus_> hrm | ||
| [2009/05/04 22:34:05] <walrus_> something like: if $var == "bleh" { notify => Service["X"] } | ||
| [2009/05/04 22:34:45] <plathrop> walrus_: um, no... That's not what I thought you meant. | ||
| [2009/05/04 22:34:54] <plathrop> walrus_: what are you trying to accomplish? | ||
| [2009/05/04 22:35:45] <walrus_> basically, I have a service that needs to be restarted based on the content of a var | ||
| [2009/05/04 22:36:05] <walrus_> so do I need to define two different types? | ||
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| [2009/05/04 22:36:29] <plathrop> walrus_: No, I mean on the larger scale. Why do you think you want to restart a service based on a variable? | ||
| [2009/05/04 22:38:51] <walrus_> ah, so I have a custom type defined, within that, some scripts are being executed. When I call the custom type, I also need to pass it some information on if that particular action requires a service bounce | ||
| [2009/05/04 22:40:10] <walrus_> so I have a custom type defined, within that, some scripts are being executed. | ||
| [2009/05/04 22:40:26] <plathrop> walrus_: Ah, so here's what you do | ||
| [2009/05/04 22:40:28] <walrus_> When I call the custom type, I also need to pass it some information on if that particular action requires a service bounce | ||
| [2009/05/04 22:40:50] <plathrop> custom_type{ "foo": notify => Service["bar"] } | ||
| [2009/05/04 22:42:00] <walrus_> ah ok, I'll give that a try | ||
| [2009/05/04 22:42:02] <walrus_> thanks | ||
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| [2009/05/04 23:37:13] <langseth> anyone have a good example of managing fstab using puppet and augeas? | ||
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