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| [2009/04/04 00:23:05] <johnw> hmm... if I use the rpm provider on a real .rpm, and ensure => latest, it tries to reinstall it on each run it seems | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:23:57] <johnw> how do I get it to update from the physical rpm only if it's an actual upgrade? | ||
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| [2009/04/04 00:31:58] <eythian> johnw: because I don't yet have a custom repository system, I put package files into /var/local/packages/<module>, and have an exec subscribe to the file. | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:32:08] <eythian> (the exec doing the install) | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:41:18] <johnw> ah, i see | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:41:34] <johnw> funny, i just started coding that solution :) | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:42:41] <johnw> i'd like to still use the rpm provider though | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:42:54] <johnw> hmm.. i don't think package has refreshonly... | ||
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| [2009/04/04 00:44:08] <johnw> i may need my own yum repository for this | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:44:14] <johnw> so that it can all be handled through yum update | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:48:22] <eythian> johnw: that's what I intend to do when I have time. | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:48:45] <johnw> seems to be extremely simple | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:48:54] <johnw> just have to run yum-arch whenever the directory contents have changed | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:48:58] <johnw> other than that, yum does the rest | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:49:11] <eythian> I also need to learn how to create packages, that's a bigger step :) | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:49:21] <johnw> ah, most of what i'm working with here is already rpm | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:49:30] <johnw> like, puppet 0.24.8 | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:49:55] <eythian> yeah, I have a number of things that are already .debs, but a few that aren't that I do want to package. | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:50:32] <johnw> eythian: http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=440160 | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:52:30] <eythian> johnw: yeah, I have all the references bookmarked. I just need to put the time in, which I don't have at the moment (which is why I'm doing things like making puppet work with glassfish on a Saturday afternoon) | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:53:07] <johnw> what kind of stuff is in your glassfish type? | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:53:11] <johnw> i need to get it working with jboss next | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:53:59] <eythian> it's going to allow creation of jdbc pools and other assorted things. Nothing too fancy, as the glassfish API is a bit pants. | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:54:15] <eythian> But enough that it'll deploy the config for me. | ||
| [2009/04/04 00:55:03] <eythian> I'm just working through the command line interface, the other option is to work with the XML, but that's a bad idea. | ||
| [2009/04/04 01:00:27] <Djelibeybi> johnw: you want createrepo these days, not yum-arch | ||
| [2009/04/04 01:00:59] <Djelibeybi> yum-arch creates the header (.hdr) files for the old up2date. createrepo creates the xml.gz metadata for yum | ||
| [2009/04/04 01:01:03] <Djelibeybi> Oddly. | ||
| [2009/04/04 01:01:34] <johnw> thx, found that out the hard way | ||
| [2009/04/04 01:01:56] <Djelibeybi> johnw: Go Go Accurate Tool Names. :) | ||
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| [2009/04/04 01:16:24] <eythian> It's very confusing to me that wiki:CreatingCustomTypes and wiki:PracticalTypes seem to say very different things about how custom types work. | ||
| [2009/04/04 01:16:25] <gepetto> eythian: wiki:CreatingCustomTypes is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/CreatingCustomTypes | ||
| [2009/04/04 01:16:26] <gepetto> eythian: wiki:PracticalTypes is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/PracticalTypes | ||
| [2009/04/04 01:27:14] <eythian> In the :ensure property def of my type, I'm creating the resource. What do I call the function to remove it if it's given ensure=>absent? | ||
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| [2009/04/04 02:01:15] <eythian> puppet seems to require a large amount of memory to move large files :( | ||
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| [2009/04/04 04:14:59] <ChoHag> Is it possible to get puppet to run commands on the puppetmaster? | ||
| [2009/04/04 04:16:03] <ChoHag> Or in some way retrieve data which is restricted based on the client requesting it. | ||
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| [2009/04/04 07:28:23] <Volcane> ChoHag: not natively unless you mess around with generate, but you can easily extend puppet with functions | ||
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| [2009/04/04 07:28:39] <Volcane> ChoHag: and these functions can query anything u can imagine... | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:32:10] <erikh> Volcane: do you sleep? :) | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:32:35] <erikh> I mean that lightheartedly; I just always see you in here answering questions :) | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:32:42] <Volcane> oi its lunch time :P | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:32:48] <erikh> ah, that explains it | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:32:52] <erikh> it's 4:30am here :) | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:33:57] <Volcane> heh, i dont sleep a lot though, my girlfriend and i work different times so i have way too much time on my hands | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:34:06] <Volcane> i work 11-7, she does 3-11 | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:34:27] <Volcane> 3pm to 11pm | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:34:42] <erikh> ah yeah | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:34:59] <erikh> for years my wife and I would work different hours. she'd work days, I'd work graves | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:35:07] <erikh> made living hard. | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:35:14] <Volcane> so she gets home like 12ish, which means i get to bed by 1:30 if i am lucky | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:35:26] <erikh> I can dig it | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:35:49] <Volcane> i could technically change my times to match, but I'd be bored out my skull if i dont work in the day | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:36:17] <erikh> heh yeah, i'd just be playing a video game or something | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:38:37] <Volcane> and anyway, with 100s of machines all being managed by puppet what else do i have to do? :) | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:40:21] <ChoHag> So what about restricting access? | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:40:43] <ChoHag> Can you write a function to be executed on the server which will know which private key is being used in the client/server communication? | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:41:08] <Volcane> ChoHag: i just use the fqdn as set by puppet as a key in the lookup | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:41:20] <ChoHag> But that's set by the client. | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:41:50] <Volcane> ChoHag: sure, if u needed more you could no doubt write a fact to show the crypto fingerprint of the ssl cert on the client | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:41:51] <ChoHag> And if a client is hijacked, it can assume the identity of any other client and steal its files. | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:42:09] <Volcane> though even that can be faked ofcourse | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:42:13] <Volcane> if they can copy the ssl keys | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:42:37] <Volcane> i dont believe theres a 100% certified proof of identity between client and server that cant be subverted by someone with access to the client | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:42:37] <ChoHag> Well if they have access to another client's ssl keys then you just need to pull the plug and start again. | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:43:28] <ChoHag> If you have access to all the clients, no. | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:43:50] <ChoHag> But if you can only read one client's private key, you can only impersonate that client. | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:44:04] <Volcane> yeah | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:44:10] <Volcane> so it wouldnt be hard to make such a fact | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:44:11] <ChoHag> Unless puppet breaks ssl somehow. | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:44:35] <ChoHag> What data is available to functions executed by the server? | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:44:46] <ChoHag> Apart from facts. | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:45:05] <Volcane> functions executed by the master used in compiling manifests? | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:45:10] <ChoHag> Yes. | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:45:14] <Volcane> just facts | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:45:58] <Volcane> so you could make a fact to fingerprint the ssl cert and send the fingerprint to the master as a fact | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:46:56] <ChoHag> Is puppet: file transfer performed separately to the manifest transfer? | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:47:24] <Volcane> yes | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:47:32] <ChoHag> What protocol does it use? | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:47:38] <Volcane> HTTPS | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:48:32] <ChoHag> Hmm that could be a better approach. | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:48:52] <Volcane> whats the problem you want to solve? | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:49:09] <ChoHag> Restricting data to a specific client only. | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:49:16] <Volcane> a file? | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:49:19] <ChoHag> Yes. | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:49:34] <Volcane> well i wouldnt say its awesomely inpeneterable | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:49:41] <Volcane> but if you have a fact - say fqdn | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:49:57] <Volcane> source => "puppet://puppet/path/to/file.${fqdn}" | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:49:59] <Volcane> will do it | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:50:09] <ChoHag> But you don't have a fact, you have a dubious fact. | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:50:09] <Volcane> ofcourse as you say, spoofable and what not | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:50:14] <Volcane> indeed | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:50:24] <Volcane> cos its on the client and controlled by it | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:50:48] <Volcane> its like any other client submitted data, but you could use a fingerprint of the ssl certs or something | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:50:51] <Volcane> thats a bit better | ||
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| [2009/04/04 07:51:02] <Volcane> but still not awesome, harder to fake though | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:51:16] <ChoHag> But it seems I could do that but intercept the call such that a cgi is used which verifies which client key is used. | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:51:34] <Volcane> you cant really intercept the calls between client and master | ||
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| [2009/04/04 07:52:11] <ChoHag> You can if you mess around with reverse proxies. | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:52:32] <ChoHag> Just have something else listen on port 8140 which provides its own fileserver and forwards anything else to the real puppet port. | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:52:42] <ChoHag> Of course they both need access to the server's private key. | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:53:06] <Volcane> the puppet file server isnt *just* a https server doling out files | ||
| [2009/04/04 07:53:35] <Volcane> it will become more like that in future versions, now though its a RPC server over HTTPS | ||
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| [2009/04/04 09:09:47] <briandquinn> what's the best to monitor puppets activity, i.e. what's changing and where? | ||
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| [2009/04/04 09:17:25] <Volcane> briandquinn: puppet can send reports back to the master | ||
| [2009/04/04 09:19:29] <briandquinn> they just ship back the logs from each client right? | ||
| [2009/04/04 09:20:18] <Volcane> and some stats | ||
| [2009/04/04 09:22:02] <briandquinn> cool, I'll go that direction then. Thanks. | ||
| [2009/04/04 09:24:52] <Volcane> they're yaml files, so easy to parse or load into a db or whatever | ||
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| [2009/04/04 16:21:35] <jmeeuwen> has anything changed in the way certificates are generated? | ||
| [2009/04/04 16:21:50] <jmeeuwen> 0.24.8 is what i'm talking about here btw ;-) | ||
| [2009/04/04 16:30:30] <hacim> nope | ||
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