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| [2008/10/31 02:17:10] <groove> anyone give me a clue where to start looking for bug #1683 ? | ||
| [2008/10/31 02:17:11] <gepetto> groove: #1683 is http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/show/1683 "Puppet - Bug #1683: Settings should not replace current values until new values are available - ReductiveLabs.com" | ||
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| [2008/10/31 04:14:26] <DavidS> yo :) | ||
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| [2008/10/31 05:39:32] <jenza> hmmmm, looks like a memory leak to me: http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=memorymemorydayyj6.png | ||
| [2008/10/31 05:39:39] <jenza> my puppetserver :/ | ||
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| [2008/10/31 05:47:26] <screen-x> jenza: my puppetmasterd does that | ||
| [2008/10/31 05:48:22] <screen-x> jenza: do you do file serving with puppet:// URIs? | ||
| [2008/10/31 05:48:57] <jenza> yeah puppet:/// | ||
| [2008/10/31 05:49:34] <screen-x> any large files? | ||
| [2008/10/31 05:52:39] <jenza> nope | ||
| [2008/10/31 05:53:26] <screen-x> hmm, I'm in the process of changing mine from puppet:// to file:// to see if it helps. | ||
| [2008/10/31 05:54:41] <jenza> What does that actually mean? | ||
| [2008/10/31 05:54:45] <jenza> is there any difference? | ||
| [2008/10/31 05:54:49] <masterzen> it can also be a ruby issue. There was a release of 1.8.6 that was leaking. | ||
| [2008/10/31 05:55:12] <jenza> I'm on ruby-1.8.5-5.el5_2.3 | ||
| [2008/10/31 05:55:24] <screen-x> masterzen: mine is 1.8.7 and still leaks :( | ||
| [2008/10/31 05:56:34] <masterzen> see #1395 | ||
| [2008/10/31 05:56:34] <gepetto> masterzen: #1395 is http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/show/1395 "Puppet - Bug #1395: puppet memory usage - ReductiveLabs.com" | ||
| [2008/10/31 05:57:13] <masterzen> I think you should add comments to this ticket. Also if you have configurations that can help andrew fix the issue, you should probably give them to him. | ||
| [2008/10/31 05:57:29] <screen-x> masterzen: working on it | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:00:54] <masterzen> yes I know :-) | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:01:35] <masterzen> Or you could also instrument your puppetmaster if you have programming skills. Or use dtrace if you are on a solaris/freebsd kernel. | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:34:29] <lazzurs> How many puppetmasters are people running here and for how many clients? | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:35:13] <jenza> 5 and about 15 at the moment | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:35:27] <jenza> Should be scaling up to 150 over the next few months | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:37:45] <lazzurs> jenza: so 5 server processes for 15 clients? and how many do you think you are going to have to run for 150 clients? | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:40:54] <masterzen> 5 for 15 seems a little bit high :-) | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:43:23] <lazzurs> masterzen: I have 7 clients right now and one server through mongrel and if I start all clients at the same time it kills the server | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:43:47] <lazzurs> so I went ot 5 servers and the system still does not cope | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:44:50] <lazzurs> I am beginning to wonder just how much resource it is going to take to run a larger installation...or what I am doing wrong | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:45:51] <jenza> masterzen: sure but I intend on scaling up pretty soon | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:46:05] <jenza> 5 was a good enough number to get mongrel going | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:46:06] <masterzen> lazzurs: enter the world of "splay" then | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:47:10] <lazzurs> masterzen: oh indeed, used to do the same with cfengine but it would be nice to be able to run 7 clients at the same time, seems like a small enough request | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:48:06] <lazzurs> does puppetmaster keep doing something if a client disconnects before it has finished? | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:48:24] <lazzurs> those puppetmaster servers I started are now just hammering the cpu | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:49:23] <masterzen> lazzurs: it all depends about what your clients are requesting. Puppet is basically a mono-threaded, mono-client server because of ruby internals. So it can only serve one client at a time (for catalog requests or fileserving). | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:49:42] <masterzen> if you want 7 parallel clients _without_ timeouts you must run 7 servers. | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:50:19] <screen-x> masterzen: what does puppetmasterd do apart from catalog requests and file serving? | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:50:36] <masterzen> storeconfigs, reports... | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:50:55] <screen-x> ok | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:52:00] <lazzurs> masterzen: ah, I understand now... | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:52:33] <masterzen> lazzurs: that's why you make multiple mongrel instance in ruby on rails applications to be able to multiplex requests... | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:53:42] <lazzurs> masterzen: lovely. the problem I have with that is it appears if a client disconnects before it is finished puppetmaster is just going to sit there and hammer the cpu | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:53:57] <lazzurs> with lots of processes this becomes more of a problem | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:55:17] <masterzen> I don't know very well puppet internals, so I don't know why that happens. You should probably file a bug report explaining that when a clients disconnects your master goes berserk using 100% CPU. | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:55:32] <lazzurs> indeed, going to do so now | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:55:53] <lazzurs> I have to say, using puppet over the last few months I get the impression that it is not really ready for prime time yet | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:57:54] <masterzen> lazzurs: I disagree. I think puppet is working pretty well. | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:58:41] <masterzen> Also, note that for a 0.24 version, it is pretty usable. I know 1.0 software that are less usable than puppet :-) | ||
| [2008/10/31 06:58:55] <screen-x> masterzen: do you know how well running puppetmasterd from inetd works? | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:00:11] <masterzen> screen-x: I never tried. I don't even know if it is possible. | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:00:12] <lazzurs> hmm, just noticed that I am not running the latest version | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:00:22] <lazzurs> always good to upgrade before submitting a bug | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:00:24] <masterzen> lazzurs: which version are you running? | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:01:37] <screen-x> masterzen: if it worked, would solve the mono-threadedness problem, but would probably ssl (unless webrick was used) | ||
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| [2008/10/31 07:01:38] <lazzurs> 0.24.5 | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:01:48] <screen-x> *probably break ssl | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:02:11] <masterzen> I don't think there will be much differences between .5 and .6 | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:02:40] <masterzen> I mean regarding your original issue | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:05:01] <lazzurs> seems like I should be adding more to the bug report, does anyone have any suggestions on what more useful information I can add http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/show/1722 | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:06:13] <masterzen> lazzurs: platform, distribution, use case, if it is 100% reproducible, if it uses 100% cpu for a long time or only for a few seconds... | ||
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| [2008/10/31 07:10:11] <lazzurs> masterzen: ok, updated, let me know if there is anything else I should be adding | ||
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| [2008/10/31 07:10:43] * lazzurs is not really awake yet | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:10:56] <Cope> what's the best way to make an exec run only once, or on a condition? | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:11:28] <masterzen> onlyif ? | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:11:38] <masterzen> refreshonly ? | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:12:24] <screen-x> bother, one question I could have actually answered and I missed it! | ||
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| [2008/10/31 07:48:50] <jenza> What firewall modules do you guys use for iptableS? | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:49:58] <screen-x> jenza: I tend to use the standard builtins | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:50:28] <jenza> wait, standard builtins? | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:50:59] <screen-x> ie I haven't added any extra modules to iptables. | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:51:19] <jenza> I've trolled the wiki, I don't see any reference to an iptables type or anything | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:51:42] <screen-x> jenza: sorry I misunderstood you :-/ | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:51:49] <jenza> Ok no worries. | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:52:07] <screen-x> I thought you meant as in iptables modules, but you meant a puppet module for managing iptables... | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:52:14] <jenza> Yeah | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:52:23] <jenza> Not like NAT tables etc. | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:52:40] <screen-x> that last sentence sucked. | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:53:01] <jenza> :> | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:53:11] <screen-x> I will probably use file+templating for that when I get round to it | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:53:21] <screen-x> but it should probably have its own type | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:56:46] <jenza> What I'd like is to be able to add a header/footer to a template | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:56:50] <jenza> Is that possible? | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:58:17] <jenza> template(/path/to/template1,/path/to/template2) | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:58:20] <jenza> Looks like it | ||
| [2008/10/31 07:59:38] <screen-x> I should think so, don't know off the top of my head though. | ||
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| [2008/10/31 08:36:39] <svenx_> so, i'm confused about file { "somepath": mode => 644 } versus file { somename: path => "somepath", mode => 644 } | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:37:02] <svenx_> the part between { and : seems to be referred to as a "name". not very unambiguous, i'd say. but okay | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:37:33] <svenx_> is it so that if this "name" refers to a pathname, then "name" will be used as the path variable too? | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:37:42] <screen-x> so path=name by default, but you can specify them independently if you wish | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:37:50] <svenx_> i see, thanks | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:38:57] <screen-x> if the path is long, you may want a short name to refer to in require/subscribe scections | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:39:25] <svenx_> agreed. and if the path is conditional, then use a shortname too | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:39:34] <svenx_> which is pretty obvious, really :) | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:39:39] <screen-x> :) | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:42:00] <svenx_> then to figure out how to mail unified diffs. seems i should use a ruby internal diff function | ||
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| [2008/10/31 08:43:36] <screen-x> diffs of what? | ||
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| [2008/10/31 08:46:19] <svenx_> oh, of text files that have changed | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:46:34] <svenx_> i'll figure it out somehow | ||
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| [2008/10/31 08:46:44] <screen-x> ooh, I didn't know puppet did that.. | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:47:20] <screen-x> #1403 seems to indicate that it does though | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:47:21] <gepetto> screen-x: #1403 is http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/show/1403 "Puppet - Feature #1403: REST connections should use content-type for format - ReductiveLabs.com" | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:47:43] <screen-x> nope | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:47:52] <screen-x> wrong one.. | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:48:12] <svenx_> #1058 perhaps | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:48:13] <gepetto> svenx_: #1058 is http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/show/1058 "Puppet - Bug #1058: diff printed twice - ReductiveLabs.com" | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:48:30] <svenx_> or no. that's for --test | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:52:45] <svenx_> um. time to get the source to verify | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:53:10] <screen-x> svenx_: have fun :) | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:53:30] <svenx_> it would be strange if it's not possible. getting a mail with the md5sums is .. not too interesting :) | ||
| [2008/10/31 08:54:08] <screen-x> yeah, like git revision 'numbers' | ||
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| [2008/10/31 09:31:09] <bajan> Fooey, to get if/else logic that can do comparisons, I need 0.24.6, but dlutter only has up to .5 available so far. Suppose I could grab the spec and build my own.. | ||
| [2008/10/31 09:34:12] <Volcane> the spec in the tarball builds fine | ||
| [2008/10/31 09:35:00] <jenza> So where I work we have a few nerf guns | ||
| [2008/10/31 09:35:10] <jenza> and we spar with one of the dev teams on a daily basis | ||
| [2008/10/31 09:35:52] <jenza> My boss^4 just came out of his office with a giant battery powered chain fed gatling gun nerf gun and just shot the hell out of all of us | ||
| [2008/10/31 09:36:35] <bajan> Volcane: Actually, it doesn't - the spec has the wrong version of the tarball in it | ||
| [2008/10/31 09:36:42] <bajan> easy enough to fix though | ||
| [2008/10/31 09:38:16] <ashp> hahahahaha | ||
| [2008/10/31 09:38:21] <ashp> jenza that's fantastic | ||
| [2008/10/31 09:38:49] <ashp> i need a chain fed gatling gun nerf gun | ||
| [2008/10/31 09:39:36] <jenza> heh | ||
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| [2008/10/31 09:41:26] <bajan> Will 0.24.4 clients happily talk to a 0.24.6 server, or am I going to encounter oddities? | ||
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| [2008/10/31 09:46:34] <jenza> Should be fine | ||
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| [2008/10/31 09:54:49] <masterzen> bajan: I know that .5 clients works with .6 server. Don't know for .4 clients, though. | ||
| [2008/10/31 09:55:16] <bajan> masterzen: Time to find out. :) | ||
| [2008/10/31 09:55:26] * bajan checked, .24.4 rpms are still on teh server in case of 'aiee!' | ||
| [2008/10/31 09:55:47] <bajan> I just have to re-modify the startup scripts, as I've got a custom sysconfig setup that splits out the fileserver from the configserver | ||
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| [2008/10/31 10:04:02] <jenza> So I've got a define that's not passing anything through to it | ||
| [2008/10/31 10:04:04] <jenza> firewall::client { "$fqdn": } | ||
| [2008/10/31 10:04:11] <jenza> Is there any way I can simplify that line at all? | ||
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| [2008/10/31 10:06:59] <bajan> ugh, the rpm upgrade broke my installation | ||
| [2008/10/31 10:08:31] <bajan> hmm, ok, it's the mongrel usage that breaks it. | ||
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| [2008/10/31 10:11:31] <bajan> blah. I'll just go back to my old configuration - it does what I need it to do without requiring ssl proxies | ||
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| [2008/10/31 10:24:31] <jenza> Can I define a service in a define at all? | ||
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| [2008/10/31 10:31:12] <jimcooncat> hi, would like to start using puppet. Is ver 0.24.4 (from hardy repos) ok to use, or do I have to go with a newer version? | ||
| [2008/10/31 10:31:37] <bajan> 0.24.6 has feature-improvements and bug fixes | ||
| [2008/10/31 10:31:47] <jenza> Should be fine, .6 woudl be better | ||
| [2008/10/31 10:32:43] <jimcooncat> thanks bajan, jenza; I'll start with that then -- I'd rather stick to the repositories. | ||
| [2008/10/31 10:33:59] * bajan just runs his own repositories :) | ||
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| [2008/10/31 10:41:31] <masterzen> jenza: yes, you can put whatever you want in a define. Now is that usefull, that's another question :-) | ||
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| [2008/10/31 10:44:40] <jenza> :) | ||
| [2008/10/31 10:44:49] <jenza> Yeah, as long as it's not called multiple times | ||
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| [2008/10/31 10:51:37] <masterzen> yes of course :-) | ||
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| [2008/10/31 11:30:04] <ccaum> If I have an exec { } statement in a define that executes a script located on the puppetmaster, can I access files on the node with that script? For instance, could I grep a file on the client filesystem? | ||
| [2008/10/31 11:30:06] <jimcooncat> so my idea is to create configurations that can combine: 1. my overall preference, and 2. the install location. For example, openssh-server should default to blowfish encryption in all machines, but should use port 8922 for work and 7822 for others (machines I set up for home, friends, family). So do I make multiple config files, or can puppet combine a config? | ||
| [2008/10/31 11:32:38] <jimcooncat> sorry, that was badly thought out. I'll read some more | ||
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| [2008/10/31 11:56:46] <masterzen> lak: hi. Good news: I should be able to publish for review the first version of the inline documentation stuff I'm working on :-) | ||
| [2008/10/31 11:57:04] <masterzen> lak: I mean this week-end... | ||
| [2008/10/31 11:57:18] <lak> awesome | ||
| [2008/10/31 11:57:23] <lak> i look forward to it | ||
| [2008/10/31 12:01:54] <masterzen> for the moment I only concentrated on the RDoc integration which is almost finished (needs some polishing). Then I think we'll have to discuss for the "perldoc" way. | ||
| [2008/10/31 12:02:45] <lak> ok | ||
| [2008/10/31 12:02:49] <ccaum> How would I go about having two different resources modify the same file resource? Basically I need a definition to check whether an entry exists in a file on the client and add the entry if it does not. The definition could be implemented several times within a single node or class with different parameters of course. | ||
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| [2008/10/31 12:04:44] <jenza> Is there any way for puppet to add yum sources before attempting to install packages? | ||
| [2008/10/31 12:05:06] <jenza> Do I need to depend each package on the yum repo it's in or something? | ||
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| [2008/10/31 12:11:06] <bajan> That method works | ||
| [2008/10/31 12:11:16] <bajan> I just have an install routine that lays down all the repos the servers need | ||
| [2008/10/31 12:11:59] <jenza> yeah sure, these machines are already live tho | ||
| [2008/10/31 12:12:07] <DavidS> ccaum: see the line() define in my common module | ||
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| [2008/10/31 12:13:37] <ccaum> Could you give me a link? | ||
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| [2008/10/31 12:15:16] <bajan> jenza: Then yes, a require on the yumrepo required is the only way I know of to achieve what you need | ||
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| [2008/10/31 12:16:18] <ccaum> nevermind | ||
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| [2008/10/31 12:31:11] <ccaum> That line definition worked perfectly. Thanks! | ||
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| [2008/10/31 12:36:03] <DavidS> :) n.p. | ||
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| [2008/10/31 13:31:04] <WALoeIII> anyone deployed puppetshow recently, I'm running into load issues presumably conflicts between the vendored rails and puppet/rails | ||
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| [2008/10/31 14:00:09] <xmslack_> is there any way to support the use of defines in an external nodes script? it seems it is only useful for variables and classes. | ||
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| [2008/10/31 14:14:24] <lak> xmslack_: correct, no defines | ||
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| [2008/10/31 14:50:09] <WALoeIII> ahh I have puppet show running with rails 2.1.2 and hobo 0.8 | ||
| [2008/10/31 14:50:20] <WALoeIII> but I can't create a user LOL | ||
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| [2008/10/31 15:10:35] <nevele> did those active record optimizations for storeconfigs make it into 0.24.6? | ||
| [2008/10/31 15:10:49] <nevele> did notice anything in the changelog | ||
| [2008/10/31 15:24:57] <lak> i think they made it into 0.24.5 | ||
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| [2008/10/31 16:17:27] <nevele> lak: ok, guess that would explain why i didnt see them in the change log for .6. thanks | ||
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| [2008/10/31 17:12:01] <WALoeIII> So does puppet load rails itself (or keep a copy inside of it?) | ||
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| [2008/10/31 17:24:16] <lak> it only does so if you're using storeconfigs | ||
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| [2008/10/31 17:33:30] <WALoeIII> lak: Thanks, I was able to track down my puppetshow issues to a simple load order bug. I sent you a pull request on github. | ||
| [2008/10/31 17:33:48] <lak> is it a puppetshow problem or a puppet problem? | ||
| [2008/10/31 17:33:53] <WALoeIII> puppetshow | ||
| [2008/10/31 17:33:59] <lak> ok | ||
| [2008/10/31 17:34:37] <WALoeIII> it was including the Puppet::Rails module at the top, before booting its vendored rails copy. In my case that meant including rails 2.1.2 instead of the 2.0.2 in the application - and Hobo/active_scaffold don't play well with rails 2.1 | ||
| [2008/10/31 17:35:41] <WALoeIII> Now I need to figure out how to require logins to view pages | ||
| [2008/10/31 17:35:45] <WALoeIII> hobo is whack. | ||
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| [2008/10/31 17:37:43] <lak> pushed | ||
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| [2008/10/31 20:32:15] <drmikecrowe> hey folks, I hate asking this lame question. But, is there a puppetd.conf in addition to the puppet.conf? If I put server=xxxx in puppet.conf, puppetd doesn't seem to find it | ||
| [2008/10/31 20:32:24] <drmikecrowe> But does if I create a puppetd.conf with that | ||
| [2008/10/31 20:32:54] <mmcgrath> drwhat distro? | ||
| [2008/10/31 20:33:13] <mmcgrath> err drmikecrow ^^ | ||
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| [2008/10/31 20:35:12] <drmikecrowe> mmcgrath, well, centos (5.2) and ubuntu (8.04) | ||
| [2008/10/31 20:36:07] <mmcgrath> I'm not sure about ubuntu, but with centos you want to alter /etc/sysconfig/puppet | ||
| [2008/10/31 20:36:24] <drmikecrowe> ah, ok. | ||
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