Sunday, 2008-09-28

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[2008/09/28 05:57:32] <ranguard> what's the syntax for associative arrays (hashes) in puppet conf / templates?
[2008/09/28 06:05:39] * ranguard knows $fo = { a => 1, b => 2 }, but not sure how to do the .each stuff
[2008/09/28 06:10:46] <DavidS> ranguard: templates are erb, therefore contain straight ruby in between the <%%>
[2008/09/28 06:11:24] <Volcane> but puppet cant make hashes so you cant be sending hash data from puppet into a template
[2008/09/28 06:13:24] <ranguard> oh, that's pants :(
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[2008/09/28 06:14:26] <ranguard> is there any alternative approach ?
[2008/09/28 06:15:04] <Volcane> what do u want to do?
[2008/09/28 06:15:53] <ranguard> I have a list of hostname and their IP addresses want to loop over those and have both the name and IP available in the loop
[2008/09/28 06:16:58] <Volcane> nothing can do that out the box really, someone here took some CSV lookup parser function I wrote and abused it for something similar
[2008/09/28 06:17:28] <Volcane> ie. he can pull all the 1st colums out of the CSV into an array, then call a define requesting the IP (or array of IPs) out of the same CSV later using the col as the ky
[2008/09/28 06:17:32] <Volcane> but thats a PITA
[2008/09/28 06:18:16] <ranguard> yea, seems like a major oversite - hmm, could define to arrays I guess 'names' 'ips' and do a counter style thing
[2008/09/28 06:18:45] <Volcane> $hosts = getcsvkey("/path/to/hosts"); dosomething{$hosts: } and in dosomething he does csvlookup($name, "/path/to/hosts")
[2008/09/28 06:18:58] <Volcane> the last bit will return an ip or array of ips for using
[2008/09/28 06:19:01] <Volcane> but yeah, lame
[2008/09/28 06:19:10] <Volcane> puppet needs hashes, i can think of a million reasons
[2008/09/28 06:19:17] <Volcane> but ppl here seem to think its too programmy
[2008/09/28 06:19:43] <ranguard> s/programmy/useful/g :)
[2008/09/28 06:19:47] <Volcane> nods
[2008/09/28 06:20:23] <ranguard> I know someone doing a perl implimentation of some of puppet - maybe I'll switch when that goes public
[2008/09/28 06:21:01] <ranguard> :)
[2008/09/28 06:21:09] <Volcane> heh
[2008/09/28 06:21:36] <realist> I contemplated a C implementation...
[2008/09/28 06:21:45] * ranguard comforts realist
[2008/09/28 06:21:46] <realist> For about 30 seconds
[2008/09/28 06:22:04] <realist> ranguard: yeah, my brain started to hurt.
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[2008/09/28 06:22:36] <ranguard> without getting all religious war - I was amazed puppet wasn't in perl, but there you go :)
[2008/09/28 06:22:53] <ranguard> ok, non of this yacking solves my imediate problem
[2008/09/28 06:23:32] <Volcane> coding it in perl doesnt avoid the fact that if the coders dont want to impliment hashes they wont
[2008/09/28 06:23:41] <Volcane> hashes are equally easy and equally powerful in rubyh
[2008/09/28 06:23:49] * ranguard nods
[2008/09/28 06:24:10] <ranguard> that was a general asside - rather than a specific feature thing
[2008/09/28 06:25:08] <Volcane> cant blame anyone for not using perl, perl community as a whole is on brink of something awesome or something completely screwed up, no1 knows
[2008/09/28 06:25:32] <ranguard> heh
[2008/09/28 06:25:43] * ranguard know really knows perl so hopes it's the former
[2008/09/28 06:25:51] <ranguard> s/know/only/
[2008/09/28 06:26:00] * Volcane learned ruby instead
[2008/09/28 06:26:10] <Volcane> after, hmm, 12 years of perl
[2008/09/28 06:26:36] <Volcane> much++ happier for it too
[2008/09/28 06:26:38] <ranguard> ruby and python are both languages I don't think I'd mind using - if I couldn't use perl
[2008/09/28 06:27:01] <ranguard> but I can use perl :)
[2008/09/28 06:27:19] <Volcane> writing elegant, readable and well structured code in perl is of course totally doable, but its hard work and require much dicipline
[2008/09/28 06:27:27] <ranguard> I do lots of Catalsy / DBIx::Class / Template::Toolkit stuff - so it's all much the same as ruby
[2008/09/28 06:27:28] <Volcane> doing it in ruby is almost natural
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[2008/09/28 06:44:28] <ranguard> what's wrong with <% index_list = [ 0 .. ip_list.size ] %> - it comes out as a string, not an array?
[2008/09/28 06:45:41] <ranguard> actually - think it's time for lunch - will play another day
[2008/09/28 06:45:44] <ranguard> thanks for the help
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[2008/09/28 07:27:14] <jmeeuwen> Volcane, you still there?
[2008/09/28 07:27:28] <jmeeuwen> i was wondering what PCM was up to
[2008/09/28 08:11:42] <Volcane> nothing by the looks of it :P
[2008/09/28 08:12:20] <jmeeuwen> is there like a plan or something?
[2008/09/28 08:12:36] <Volcane> doubt it
[2008/09/28 08:13:01] <jmeeuwen> so the plan could very well become; 1) start importing code, 2) take the blame
[2008/09/28 08:13:02] <jmeeuwen> maybe?
[2008/09/28 08:13:29] <Volcane> yeah, something like that, I've become exrtemely busy recently, not sure what martha is up to, she was the main instigator
[2008/09/28 08:13:59] <jmeeuwen> i'm extremely interested as well, so is there something i can do?
[2008/09/28 08:15:18] * jmeeuwen is now just continuing on workshops and documentation for puppetmanaged.org
[2008/09/28 08:15:40] <jamesturnbull> jmeeuwen: probably adding and supplementing the documentation standards would be good
[2008/09/28 08:15:42] <Volcane> i think the main problem is that a) some people think its not possible in general to do a truely generic module at present b) everyone is doing their own thing and have been, so agreeing on a standard now is extremely tricky and time consuming
[2008/09/28 08:16:21] <jamesturnbull> a sample "generic" module would also be an interesting talking point I suspect
[2008/09/28 08:16:29] <jmeeuwen> well here's an idea... the "ssh" module and it's documentation, let's work it out in real life
[2008/09/28 08:16:59] <jmeeuwen> we can talk and talk and talk and not see what we're talking about for a long, long time i guess
[2008/09/28 08:17:11] <Volcane> yeah i was suggesting someone should just put a module or two up as a more visible thing that pages full of junk on the list, but didnt have time to do so myself
[2008/09/28 08:17:18] <jmeeuwen> i'm sorry, i'm one of the getting shit done types
[2008/09/28 08:17:38] <jmeeuwen> do i have commit access by any chance?
[2008/09/28 08:17:43] <jmeeuwen> (account name kanarip)
[2008/09/28 08:17:46] <jamesturnbull> that was my point
[2008/09/28 08:17:52] <jamesturnbull> make a module
[2008/09/28 08:17:54] <jmeeuwen> i could do a ssh module and make it do foo for bar
[2008/09/28 08:18:01] <jamesturnbull> something tangible people can engage with
[2008/09/28 08:18:02] <Volcane> jmeeuwen: just put it on the wiki i guess
[2008/09/28 08:18:12] <jamesturnbull> jmeeuwen: that'd be a fine on the wiki
[2008/09/28 08:18:23] <jmeeuwen> whatever gets us going ;-)
[2008/09/28 08:18:30] <jamesturnbull> jmeeuwen: if we can get something solid happy to provide you with commit to the PCM repo
[2008/09/28 08:20:31] <jmeeuwen> it should start very simple and portable, i guess
[2008/09/28 08:21:46] <jamesturnbull> jmeeuwen: yep
[2008/09/28 08:22:21] * jmeeuwen needs some non-Red Hat infra
[2008/09/28 08:22:40] <jmeeuwen> i guess that is the part where everyone needs to do his/her own thing, but add it in a sustainable way
[2008/09/28 08:25:16] <jamesturnbull> jmeeuwen: VMs are easy to do - I'd suggest Debian/RH/*BSD as a start - doesn't have to be perfect just gives us something to argue/build on
[2008/09/28 08:25:52] <jmeeuwen> jamesturnbull, yeah, i do have a couple of boxes over at the office and some nice PXE infra that i can use
[2008/09/28 08:25:58] <jmeeuwen> i'm just not at the office ;-)
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[2008/09/28 09:31:50] <jmeeuwen> jamesturnbull, Volcane; http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/PuppetCommonModules/SSH tell me what you think
[2008/09/28 09:33:04] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Puppet Common Modules/SSH edited by kanarip @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/PuppetCommonModules/SSH (by kanarip@fedoraproject.org)
[2008/09/28 09:37:57] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Puppet Common Modules/SSH edited by kanarip @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/PuppetCommonModules/SSH (by kanarip@fedoraproject.org)
[2008/09/28 09:38:22] <jmeeuwen> i forgot to add a note about EL4/5 having 0.24.4 (does no import magic)
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[2008/09/28 09:53:15] * jmeeuwen drops a line on the mailing list
[2008/09/28 09:54:41] <Shadou> hmm, I have a remotefile define that is surprisingly similar to your bigass sources list
[2008/09/28 09:55:08] <jmeeuwen> awesome ;-)
[2008/09/28 09:55:27] <jmeeuwen> what do you think about the rationale on the sources list further down the page?
[2008/09/28 10:00:56] <Shadou> it's cool
[2008/09/28 10:00:59] <Shadou> I use this; http://pastie.org/280831
[2008/09/28 10:01:04] <Shadou> note the [private] fileserver mount
[2008/09/28 10:01:19] <Shadou> %h is expanded to the hostname in the mount dynamically
[2008/09/28 10:01:31] <Shadou> almost like a fileserv chroot based on the hostname
[2008/09/28 10:05:23] <jmeeuwen> hmm, 503 ;-)
[2008/09/28 10:05:37] <jmeeuwen> http://fpaste.org work for you?
[2008/09/28 10:06:14] * jmeeuwen thinks that fileserver "dynamic" mount may be something for me as well
[2008/09/28 10:07:04] <jmeeuwen> hmm, nice
[2008/09/28 10:07:13] <jmeeuwen> is there also a %d for domain that you know?
[2008/09/28 10:07:21] <jmeeuwen> (pastie.org started working again)
[2008/09/28 10:08:39] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Puppet Common Modules/SSH edited by kanarip @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/PuppetCommonModules/SSH (by kanarip@fedoraproject.org)
[2008/09/28 10:10:31] <Volcane> "Red Hat / CentOS has puppet-0.24.4 and does not do the import magic" say what?
[2008/09/28 10:11:03] <Volcane> 0.24.4 imports fine on its own, and 0.24.5 is out for redhat relateds
[2008/09/28 10:11:36] <jmeeuwen> it does the auto import for modules, but not the autoimport class_name.pp inside modules
[2008/09/28 10:12:32] <Volcane> so modulename::blah would be manifests/blah.pp is that what u mean?
[2008/09/28 10:12:52] <jmeeuwen> yes
[2008/09/28 10:13:02] <Volcane> that works fine
[2008/09/28 10:13:13] <jmeeuwen> ohw, well, not for me
[2008/09/28 10:13:18] <Volcane> weird
[2008/09/28 10:13:37] <Volcane> works reliably till you get to modulename::sub::sub then you might sometimes need to do some importing
[2008/09/28 10:13:44] <Volcane> but also mostly it just works
[2008/09/28 10:13:57] <jmeeuwen> hmmm
[2008/09/28 10:14:19] <jmeeuwen> "mostly" doesn't really align with what i expect from puppet as I'm sure you'll understand ;-)
[2008/09/28 10:14:48] <Volcane> sure, i think its not working for like one of my modules, i am unsure why its no doubt something stupid I've done
[2008/09/28 10:14:57] <Volcane> but works for tons of other modules just fine
[2008/09/28 10:15:07] <jmeeuwen> Shadou, doesn't the remotefile defined type that you have require you to always specify things like mode, path, source and module as an attribute to a remotefile type instantiation?
[2008/09/28 10:15:27] <jmeeuwen> also running 0.24.4?
[2008/09/28 10:15:39] <Shadou> have various sites, most are .5 now though
[2008/09/28 10:15:49] <Shadou> sorry gotta run, 3am
[2008/09/28 10:16:36] <Volcane> jmeeuwen: worked for me 0.24.4 yeah, upgraded to 0.24.5 last weekend on most of my machines
[2008/09/28 10:16:42] <jmeeuwen> Volcane, anyway, a single file does fit better on a wiki page, right?
[2008/09/28 10:16:55] <Volcane> yeah :)
[2008/09/28 10:17:00] <Volcane> I'd agree with that
[2008/09/28 10:17:42] <jmeeuwen> i just hope it's a good start
[2008/09/28 10:18:34] <Volcane> yeah looks good
[2008/09/28 10:18:59] <Volcane> fear though my junior guy wont make heads or tail of it for ages to come
[2008/09/28 10:19:13] <Volcane> cos its not exactly simple, but its also not a simple problem
[2008/09/28 10:19:21] <jmeeuwen> what i'm not sure about is the operating system sub-classes inheriting one another
[2008/09/28 10:19:40] <jmeeuwen> if it *just works*, no-one cares how complex the code that makes it work is
[2008/09/28 10:20:09] <Volcane> the moment you want something outside of the scope of what the module provide yo'll need to know how it works :)
[2008/09/28 10:20:22] <jmeeuwen> this is just something i whipped up, it's not in production or anything ;-)
[2008/09/28 10:23:57] <jmeeuwen> Volcane, this is a related thread i think: http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users/browse_thread/thread/44bb80328f91b01d?hl=en
[2008/09/28 10:28:41] <jmeeuwen> (btw i co-maintain puppet in fedora and redhat, and 0.24.5 is in epel-5-testing right now)
[2008/09/28 10:39:00] <Volcane> jmeeuwen: will you be updating the old lutter repo iwth your packages too?
[2008/09/28 10:39:44] <jmeeuwen> the lutter repo should go away
[2008/09/28 10:40:05] <Volcane> nods, well i copy his into yum.reductivelabs.com daily
[2008/09/28 10:40:17] <Volcane> so might be good if we can set something up so your packages get there somehow
[2008/09/28 10:40:36] <jmeeuwen> you better sync epel-5-testing which is were official builds land immediately after they're built
[2008/09/28 10:40:54] <jmeeuwen> or epel-4-testing for that matter
[2008/09/28 10:42:18] <jmeeuwen> do you need an rsync source?
[2008/09/28 10:43:01] <jmeeuwen> http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/EPEL/
[2008/09/28 10:44:47] <Volcane> k will check it out
[2008/09/28 10:46:45] <jmeeuwen> 1 release for 1 arch including testing and debug is about 6GB
[2008/09/28 10:47:10] <Volcane> yeah well i only care for the puppet/facter stuff
[2008/09/28 10:47:51] <jmeeuwen> i maintain rubygem-mongrel there as well
[2008/09/28 10:48:04] <jmeeuwen> and ruby-shadow is in there... although not required
[2008/09/28 10:48:35] <jmeeuwen> i'm also packaging genome, have you heard of that?
[2008/09/28 10:48:51] <jmeeuwen> http://genome.et.redhat.com
[2008/09/28 11:04:32] <jmeeuwen> yikes the only subclasses can override stuff is biting me
[2008/09/28 11:58:06] <jmeeuwen> demo docs for modules: http://puppetmanaged.org/documentation/git-module/
[2008/09/28 12:16:27] <ranguard> Volcane: http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users/browse_thread/thread/f3245fd84187ba90?pli=1 - down the bottom - nice (ish) solution
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[2008/09/28 15:05:42] <jmeeuwen> that'd be an expensive 20 minutes (re: Puppet Lightning Talk)
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[2008/09/28 15:33:59] <steven_> hi
[2008/09/28 15:34:37] <steven_> how do i use conditional statemnts based on tests on the client?
[2008/09/28 15:35:27] <steven_> i.e i have a directory i want to chek if it's a dir or a symlink if it's a dir i want to copy it elsewhere and create a symlink
[2008/09/28 15:37:12] <jmeeuwen> onlyif => "test ! -h /path/to/dir" ?
[2008/09/28 15:38:50] <jmeeuwen> http://fpaste.org/paste/6673
[2008/09/28 15:39:53] <steven_> jmeeuwen: thanks
[2008/09/28 15:40:13] <steven_> jmeeuwen: i though you could only evaluate things on the puppet master
[2008/09/28 15:41:07] <jmeeuwen> well it's probably going to be a combination of two or three resources
[2008/09/28 15:44:11] <jmeeuwen> something like this? http://fpaste.org/paste/6674
[2008/09/28 15:44:34] <jmeeuwen> sorry, forgot the ! in the onlyif for the exec
[2008/09/28 15:44:56] <jmeeuwen> http://fpaste.org/paste/6675 ;-)
[2008/09/28 15:47:24] <steven_> jmeeuwen: that should do it :)
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[2008/09/28 23:38:05] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Puppet Books edited by jamtur01 @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/PuppetBooks (by james@lovedthanlost.net)
[2008/09/28 23:45:11] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Publications edited by jamtur01 @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/Publications (by james@lovedthanlost.net)
[2008/09/28 23:47:57] @ Quit: shake-n-bake:
[2008/09/28 23:48:10] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Puppet Books edited by jamtur01 @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/PuppetBooks (by james@lovedthanlost.net)
[2008/09/28 23:52:51] <jamesturnbull> jmeeuwen: looks very interesting - I think that'll provoke some comment and thought I hope
[2008/09/28 23:53:19] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Documentation Start edited by jamtur01 @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/DocumentationStart (by james@lovedthanlost.net)
[2008/09/28 23:57:15] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Getting Help edited by jamtur01 @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/GettingHelp (by james@lovedthanlost.net)

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