Sunday, 2008-06-29

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[2008/06/29 00:23:48] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Publications edited by jamtur01 @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/Publications (by james@lovedthanlost.net)
[2008/06/29 00:29:34] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Publications edited by jamtur01 @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/Publications (by james@lovedthanlost.net)
[2008/06/29 00:29:34] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Publications edited by jamtur01 @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/Publications (by james@lovedthanlost.net)
[2008/06/29 00:39:07] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Publications edited by jamtur01 @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/Publications (by james@lovedthanlost.net)
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[2008/06/29 01:43:41] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Publications edited by auxesis @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/Publications (by lindsay@holmwood.id.au)
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[2008/06/29 09:15:28] <meandtheshell> hi folks, with puppet can I install packages automatically i.e. I have a netinstall Debian box and after I applied some puppet manifests to it, a bunch of packages got installed plus configuration is carried out for those packages as well ... is this possible with puppet or is it just for configurations i.e. packages have to be installed manually?
[2008/06/29 09:16:16] * meandtheshell is new to puppet ...
[2008/06/29 09:17:03] <Volcane> meandtheshell: see the bit about package on the TypeReference wiki page
[2008/06/29 09:18:38] <jamesturnbull> meandtheshell: wiki:GettingStarted
[2008/06/29 09:18:40] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: meandtheshell: wiki:GettingStarted is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/GettingStarted
[2008/06/29 09:18:55] <meandtheshell> ok, will do. thank you folks :)
[2008/06/29 09:19:12] <jamesturnbull> meandtheshell: and also some articles and my excellent book - wiki:Publications
[2008/06/29 09:19:17] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: meandtheshell: wiki:Publications is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/Publications
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[2008/06/29 09:33:31] <meandtheshell> ha nice! so I can install packages :)
[2008/06/29 09:34:06] <meandtheshell> no more need for FAI then
[2008/06/29 09:36:59] * Volcane wonders about alternatives to squid for caching reverse proxies
[2008/06/29 09:39:46] <meandtheshell> varnish
[2008/06/29 09:39:53] <Volcane> nods, just reaching its site
[2008/06/29 09:39:58] <Volcane> reading
[2008/06/29 09:40:00] <meandtheshell> :)
[2008/06/29 09:40:42] <meandtheshell> varnish is soooo damn fast compared to squid ... as is git to svn ;)
[2008/06/29 09:41:08] * meandtheshell ok later folks, ... afk
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[2008/06/29 09:43:39] <jamesturnbull> meandtheshell: feel free to ask any questions - people here always happy to help
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[2008/06/29 10:12:21] <ashp> Just so you guys know
[2008/06/29 10:12:24] <ashp> there's two branches to squid now
[2008/06/29 10:12:42] <ashp> http://code.google.com/p/cacheboy/ is the branch done by a guy i used to live iwth
[2008/06/29 10:13:01] <ashp> he's given up on getting the core team to do anything useful so he's going it alone, might work better than stock squid
[2008/06/29 10:23:12] <Volcane> hmmm, once he has a big team of coders and proven stability etc, it miht be viable, till then well..
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[2008/06/29 13:46:40] <Volcane> is there some variable that contains the name of the current module?
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[2008/06/29 17:13:04] <tim|imac> are facts re-checked on every puppet run?
[2008/06/29 17:13:13] <tim|imac> as in, is the code that describes the fact re-run?
[2008/06/29 17:14:32] <Volcane> yes
[2008/06/29 17:16:32] <tim|imac> ok... now for being a douchebag... can anyone tell me how i do this in ruby? cat /proc/drbd | grep '^ 1' | awk '{print $3}' | awk -F ':' '{print $2}' | awk -F '/' '{print $1}'
[2008/06/29 17:16:44] <tim|imac> or how i escape to shell and have get the return value ;-)
[2008/06/29 17:18:21] <Volcane> output = %x{shell stuff here}
[2008/06/29 17:18:33] <Volcane> output = `shell stuff here`
[2008/06/29 17:18:42] <tim|imac> ah cool, shell-script like
[2008/06/29 17:18:43] <tim|imac> thx
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[2008/06/29 17:26:30] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: no but that's worth a feature request - it shouldn't be too hard to do
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[2008/06/29 17:31:20] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: yeah i want to make like a remotefile kind of define, knowing the current module would be awesome
[2008/06/29 17:32:35] <Volcane> tim|imac: there are some examples on the wiki of shell script executing facts
[2008/06/29 17:32:56] <tim|imac> Volcane: i was just being lazy ;-) got it to work now, so I'm happy
[2008/06/29 17:33:01] <Volcane> k
[2008/06/29 17:33:10] <tim|imac> probably need to dive into ruby one of these days to get a proper fact out of it
[2008/06/29 17:33:16] <tim|imac> it's not the nicest one
[2008/06/29 17:33:20] <tim|imac> but it works for now
[2008/06/29 17:33:25] <Volcane> nods, been learning ruby too
[2008/06/29 17:33:31] <tim|imac> ... and my todo list gets longer...
[2008/06/29 17:34:05] <Volcane> ruby is very kewl and easy to learn
[2008/06/29 17:34:43] <Volcane> wrote a nice and fast multi threaded socket server for some adobe junk in 2nd week or so of learning ruby
[2008/06/29 17:34:55] <Volcane> and i mostly learned it while commuting, easy language
[2008/06/29 17:35:10] <Volcane> careful of older versions though
[2008/06/29 17:35:22] <Volcane> i am surprised puppet runs ok on ruby 1.8.1
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[2008/06/29 17:46:53] <ashp> Volcane: Have you written much stuff before, I meant to ask
[2008/06/29 17:47:02] <ashp> Like, are you a perl expert or anything? :)
[2008/06/29 17:48:10] <Volcane> ashp: have done commercial programming in 15 languages last time i counted for the last 20 years
[2008/06/29 17:48:45] <Volcane> ashp: but not been full time coder for years just doing it for myself etc and sysad type stuff
[2008/06/29 17:49:06] <ashp> ahhh ok, good!
[2008/06/29 17:49:21] <ashp> You picked up ruby really fast and I was worried I was dumb, not that I've had time to even look at code in the last week and a half
[2008/06/29 17:49:31] <ashp> Did you put up the code of your flash server thingy? I
[2008/06/29 17:49:38] <ashp> whoops, I'd be curious to see it (I meant to say)
[2008/06/29 17:49:38] <Volcane> ashp: did weird shit like program data interfaces between MASSIVE roll printers that are like 4 stories high and 50 meter long and 4GL cost estimation systems etc
[2008/06/29 17:50:06] <Volcane> ashp: yes, top of www.devco.net but also read the previous post from the top one to see what a nightmare it was :)
[2008/06/29 17:50:16] <ashp> i think my brain and programming are like oil and water :)
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[2008/06/29 18:42:11] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: it runs okat on 1.8.1? Hmmm I suspect 0.24.4+ will be a bit buggy on 1.8.1 - have you experience otherwise?
[2008/06/29 18:42:50] * jamesturnbull is curious
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[2008/06/29 19:28:26] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: rhel 4 is 1.8.1
[2008/06/29 19:28:45] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: flaweless, which is surprising since in my 2 weeks of ruby I've found 2 bugs already
[2008/06/29 19:30:09] <Volcane> i am running 0.24.4 on them just fine
[2008/06/29 19:30:22] <MrProper_> morning all
[2008/06/29 19:32:26] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: wow
[2008/06/29 19:32:36] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: okay must update some doco
[2008/06/29 19:32:56] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: so since rhel 4 is 1.8.1 and rhel 4 will be here till 2011ish, it would really suck if newer versions require > 1.8.1
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[2008/06/29 19:37:09] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: the FAQ for example states Puppet is only supported on 1.8.2+
[2008/06/29 19:38:01] <Volcane> personally I'd happily back port 1.8.5 onto my rhel4 machines, but i imagine there'd be a lot of unhappy ppl out there
[2008/06/29 19:38:41] <Volcane> site i worked at, paying customer afaik, has 100s of rhel machines
[2008/06/29 19:38:48] <Volcane> rhel 4
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[2008/06/29 19:49:29] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: later mate
[2008/06/29 19:51:11] <z00dax> umm
[2008/06/29 19:51:22] <z00dax> there are 1.8.5 and 1.8.6 ruby rpms in the centos testing repo's
[2008/06/29 19:51:46] <z00dax> last time I checked ( maybe 4 months back ) there had been a few dozen thousand downlods of those... I'd guess there is a fair chance that they do work
[2008/06/29 19:51:57] <z00dax> == work on rhel4
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[2008/06/29 20:05:35] <jamesturnbull> gepetto: seen lak
[2008/06/29 20:05:38] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: lak was last seen 2 days, 2 hours, 33 minutes and 18 seconds ago, quitting IRC ()
[2008/06/29 20:06:02] <jamesturnbull> andrewcshafer: you know if Luke is back in TN?
[2008/06/29 20:06:11] <andrewcshafer> he is
[2008/06/29 20:06:36] <andrewcshafer> he might make appearance later tonight, but for sure tomorrow
[2008/06/29 20:07:07] <andrewcshafer> I can call him if you need something
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[2008/06/29 20:14:35] <jamesturnbull> andrewcshafer: nah I would call him if it was urgent
[2008/06/29 20:14:57] <jamesturnbull> andrewcshafer: just wanted to know if he'd be back on deck for the week - I figure he needs a few days off :)
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[2008/06/29 20:23:58] <ashp> anyone know how the GUI demo went?
[2008/06/29 20:28:38] <andrewcshafer> Luke's talk was awesome
[2008/06/29 20:28:54] <andrewcshafer> Travesty it didn't get recorded
[2008/06/29 20:29:08] <ashp> that sucks, I was hoping it would hit youtube :)
[2008/06/29 20:38:32] <andrewcshafer> i don't know what the deal was, but only about half the talks got recorded.
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[2008/06/29 20:42:20] <jamesturnbull> andrewcshafer: shame the presentation at least isn't online either
[2008/06/29 20:43:00] <andrewcshafer> I can put the slides up
[2008/06/29 20:43:17] <jamesturnbull> andrewcshafer: that'd be great - they aren't on the O'Reilly site
[2008/06/29 20:43:46] <andrewcshafer> Yeah, they didn't think everything through IMHO, but whatever
[2008/06/29 20:43:52] <jamesturnbull> andrewcshafer: I figured you'd have twittered them all by now - you were going a little wild there for a while... :)
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[2008/06/29 20:50:11] <andrewcshafer> jamesturnbull: It's an experiment, I told people I'd try to twitter the whole conference and pretty much did for Velocity
[2008/06/29 20:50:31] <andrewcshafer> got about 50 new followers
[2008/06/29 20:51:16] <andrewcshafer> plus about that many for my man @puppetmasterd since about 30% of my tweets are at him or mention him
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