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| [2008/06/21 01:08:18] <dkam> Hey guys - I'm having trouble getting a version of rubygems which works in low memory on ubuntu. Anyone else run into this? | ||
| [2008/06/21 01:09:02] <dkam> I can install my own - but Ideally I'd like puppet to install it for me. Which means installing it via apt if possible. | ||
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| [2008/06/21 03:39:34] <dkam> Anyone know how to tell rubygems that you want "Ruby" platform so that it doesn't ask during an install? | ||
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| [2008/06/21 05:01:50] <jamesturnbull> dkam: the rubygems documentation? | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:13:47] <dkam> jamesturnbull: Couldn't see anything which looked useful. | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:14:27] <dkam> Gem lets you set the version - but not the platform. Puppet gives me an error message when gem asks what platform/version to use. | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:14:47] <jamesturnbull> dkam: no idea then - sorry | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:15:13] <jamesturnbull> dkam: maybe try #ruby? | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:17:04] <jamesturnbull> dkam: or your own gem repository with only the right platform gems | ||
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| [2008/06/21 05:22:00] <dkam> jamesturnbull: that could be an option. But I'm just managing a single host - using it to learn puppet, so hosting my own repo might be a bit much. Thanks for the pointers. | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:24:13] <dkam> jamesturnbull: I saw you give an intro to puppet at a luv meeting recently - I've been trying to convince some former colleagues that they really should be using puppet to manage their hosts. They've got around 300 debian boxes. Inconsistent versions and config make up a reasonable percentage of their problems. | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:24:53] <jamesturnbull> dkam: it's always the way - even a few simple managed modules can save a mountain of time | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:26:44] <Volcane> Inconsistancy is the default state for debian though :) | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:27:02] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: it's too late in the evening for Debian bashing... :) | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:27:27] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: but its so easy! | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:28:15] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: I've added a ton of exceptions to the code if you get time again at some point to test :( puppetview-0.3.tgz | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:29:29] <Gh0sty> goodmorning | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:30:31] <Gh0sty> LBo: my guess in reverting a transaction would be to roll back your config from subversion, but thats not exactly rolling back completely indeed | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:31:21] <Gh0sty> like i already noticed: mistyped myself and created a file called /etc/npt.conf in stead of ntp.conf ... so checking out an older revision does not really help there :| | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:32:51] <Volcane> rollbacks when you're using execs, gonna be tough | ||
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| [2008/06/21 05:35:08] <Gh0sty> the same for file | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:35:32] <Gh0sty> i mean that was my problem, the filename was wrong so it wrote the right file to the wrong location :p | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:35:44] <Volcane> file is already kind of doable, cos of the filebucket thing | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:35:54] <Volcane> but yes, file name issues cant be helped :) | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:36:04] <Gh0sty> oh yes i read something about that | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:36:10] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: yeah it's on my list to test :) | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:36:16] <Gh0sty> it makes a copy of the original or something like that? :/ | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:36:25] <Volcane> Gh0sty: yes | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:37:01] <Volcane> man, debugging multi threaded ruby code sux | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:37:12] <Volcane> but works now, all happy | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:37:43] <LBo> Gh0sty: thanks | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:38:04] <LBo> Can you uninstall packages with puppet? | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:38:15] <Gh0sty> euh yes | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:38:57] <Volcane> depends on the package provider | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:40:14] <LBo> depend(:uninstall) then? | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:40:20] <LBo> d'ow | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:40:24] <LBo> ensure(:uninstall_ | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:41:55] <LBo> package { 'rpm-devel': ensure => absent } (from the tickets) | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:45:27] <Gh0sty> hm i remember seeing the opposite of ensure present somewhere | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:45:33] <Gh0sty> but cant immediatly find it :\ | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:47:52] <Volcane> ensure => absent yes | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:49:10] <Gh0sty> ah see | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:49:22] <Gh0sty> my memory isnt that good but i knew it existed | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:49:40] <Gh0sty> and just now if found that its also possible to set chkconfig $service on | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:49:53] <Gh0sty> with enable => true | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:49:59] <Volcane> theres a bit of a gotcha though | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:50:05] <Volcane> enable => flase | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:50:10] <Volcane> will chkconfig --del | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:50:14] <Gh0sty> yes i read here | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:50:22] <Gh0sty> but i almost never do enable => false :p | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:50:22] <Volcane> and then when you do true it will add again | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:50:26] <Gh0sty> so thats ok :) | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:50:29] <Volcane> kewl | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:50:47] <Gh0sty> first get up and get some breakfast. bbl | ||
| [2008/06/21 05:58:14] * Volcane should also go to breakfast and post VAT return :( | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:06:07] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Documentation Start edited by jamtur01 @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/DocumentationStart (by james@lovedthanlost.net) | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:14:44] <fujin> Volcane: that chkconfig --del issue is fixed | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:15:27] <Volcane> fujin: but not yet released | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:17:38] <fujin> oh, right | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:17:42] * fujin lives on the edge | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:20:31] <jamesturnbull> fujin: what's up mate? | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:21:19] <fujin> not much dude | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:21:27] <fujin> just kicking it, mrs is still doing my dreads | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:21:34] <fujin> going to do some triage | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:21:44] <fujin> just reproduced #1372, although I dunno if the current behaviour is desired | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:21:45] <gepetto> fujin: #1372 is http://reductivelabs.com/redmine/issues/show/1372 | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:22:16] <fujin> because class and node are both toplevel, surely it makes sense that you cannot have duplicate names | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:22:19] <fujin> but I dunno | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:26:40] <fujin> jamesturnbull: how you doin' bro? | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:27:09] <jamesturnbull> fujin: watching alien versus predator - shockingly bad movie | ||
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| [2008/06/21 06:27:22] <jamesturnbull> fujin: and mucking around with the wiki | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:28:14] <fujin> jamesturnbull: I or II? | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:28:18] <fujin> I've yet to see AVP2 | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:28:21] <fujin> but the first one was terrible. | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:28:28] <jamesturnbull> fujin: yeah 1372 I think I concur | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:28:31] <jamesturnbull> fujin: first one | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:28:35] <jamesturnbull> fujin: haven't seen the second | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:28:53] <fujin> ah yep | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:30:54] <jamesturnbull> fujin: but yes - terrible film | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:31:07] <jamesturnbull> fujin: do your dreads give you that Predator look? :P | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:31:13] <fujin> haha | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:31:22] <fujin> kinda, they're not as awesome looking as Predators | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:31:36] <fujin> Would you be afraid? | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:31:45] <fujin> jamesturnbull: see oreilly gave reductive labs some award? | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:31:58] <fujin> 15:02 < catdude> ok, so maybe this was announced ... days ago .. but I just saw it .. http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/06/startup-camp-companies-selecte.html | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:32:08] <jamesturnbull> fujin: yeah saw that | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:32:37] <jamesturnbull> fujin: afraid? I don't know - are you also 7 foot tall? | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:32:47] <jamesturnbull> fujin: and have an array of dangerous weapons | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:33:06] <fujin> haha | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:33:15] <fujin> nope, 5'10, :} | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:33:45] <fujin> mrs reckons my dreads will look better than preds | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:33:47] <fujin> so go figure ;> | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:40:57] <fujin> jamesturnbull: #746 - you reopened it | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:40:59] <gepetto> fujin: jamesturnbull: #746 is http://reductivelabs.com/redmine/issues/show/746 | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:41:22] <fujin> any particular reason for that? should I accept it? lukes comments make me want to press the big red reject button | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:43:21] <kjetilho> in addition to the other points, /etc/crontab isn't available in say Solaris | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:43:36] <Gh0sty> an eject button | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:43:38] <Gh0sty> where? :p | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:43:58] <kjetilho> but perhaps the Darwin provider should use /etc/crontab instead if the "normal" root crontab doesn't work? | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:45:00] <fujin> Gh0sty: I already accidentally closed a ticket, have a bad reputation now :P | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:45:07] <fujin> I always picture myself with a red stamp | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:45:09] <fujin> when doign triage | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:45:25] <fujin> kjetilho: how does cron work on Solaris? | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:45:57] <kjetilho> it only has the file exposed by crontab -e | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:46:02] <kjetilho> for each user | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:46:10] <fujin> and really, extending the crontab type/provider to use a ParsedFile when it can't accurately use the crontab command is just nasty | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:46:22] <fujin> and I could almost say without a doubt, completely unlikely | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:47:01] <jamesturnbull> fujin: I thought it was worth considering as a feature request | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:47:15] <jamesturnbull> fujin: if it goes nowhere - *shrugs* | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:48:01] <Gh0sty> fujin: you reminded me more of james bond with an aston martin with ejector seats ;p | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:49:01] <fujin> jamesturnbull: cool - it's marked as unreviewed now, I'll set it to accepted and point it at the community | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:49:38] <fujin> ugh, #1377 makes me sad | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:49:40] <gepetto> fujin: ugh: #1377 is http://reductivelabs.com/redmine/issues/show/1377 | ||
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| [2008/06/21 06:51:39] <fujin> I wish we could force people to register before making tickets, so I could queue them back to them | ||
| [2008/06/21 06:51:49] <fujin> all these names never appear int he assigned to: list | ||
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| [2008/06/21 06:57:16] <fujin> jamesturnbull: unreviewed => done | ||
| [2008/06/21 07:04:15] <jamesturnbull> fujin: that was my thought too - but if LBo wants to do the work then more power to him | ||
| [2008/06/21 07:05:20] <fujin> aye, that was pretty much it | ||
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| [2008/06/21 07:06:15] <fujin> just seems entirely unecessary tbh | ||
| [2008/06/21 07:08:00] <jamesturnbull> fujin: we will see if a) patches appear and b) Luke accepts them | ||
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| [2008/06/21 08:52:41] <fujin> jamesturnbull: that's one of the reasons I don't like doing triage.. even if I accept it based on the information given, and then the community or report writes code/tests for it | ||
| [2008/06/21 08:52:45] <fujin> luke can still go | ||
| [2008/06/21 08:52:45] <fujin> nope! | ||
| [2008/06/21 08:54:07] <fujin> meh | ||
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| [2008/06/21 09:36:01] <Gh0sty> triage is simple | ||
| [2008/06/21 09:36:14] <Gh0sty> if it does not have nice boobs you throw it away :p | ||
| [2008/06/21 09:40:58] <fujin> hah | ||
| [2008/06/21 09:41:02] <fujin> yeah.. that'll work! | ||
| [2008/06/21 09:48:22] <jamesturnbull> and people wonder why women don't go into IT.... | ||
| [2008/06/21 09:49:33] <growler> because they're too sensible to go into such a soul destroying line of work? :) | ||
| [2008/06/21 09:50:23] <jamesturnbull> growler: no sadly that's no it - women are equally guilty of that weakness | ||
| [2008/06/21 09:51:31] <jamesturnbull> alright on that note - way too late - night all | ||
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| [2008/06/21 11:06:13] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Documentation Start edited by ripienaar @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/DocumentationStart | ||
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| [2008/06/21 19:07:25] <jamesturnbull> msf: re the dmidecode patch | ||
| [2008/06/21 19:08:02] <jamesturnbull> msf: wouldn't it be better to use something like "which" rather than break it down further? | ||
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| [2008/06/21 19:54:55] <jamesturnbull> msf: no matter did some research - applied the patch | ||
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| [2008/06/21 20:01:30] <ashp> jamesturnbull: Hey, when is 0.24.5 coming out? | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:02:24] <jamesturnbull> ashp: shortly... in the next two weeks or so - Luke has been a little busy as has Andrew | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:04:35] <ashp> Ahhh ok, I thought you controlled when it was released now, but I guess they need to be involved too. :) | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:06:17] <jamesturnbull> ashp: I wish :) Most of the code is still obviously done by Luke - so we're dependent on his time | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:06:58] <jamesturnbull> ashp: I just marshall all the bugs into which release they are going to appear in and clean up the ones that I can - as does fujin and some others | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:09:30] <mwr> language question. I have a class (apt_main) that includes another class (apt_defaults). apt_defaults defines several variables useful for apt_main, but they don't appear to show up in its namespace. easy way around this, or am I just entirely off design-wise? | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:11:02] <jamesturnbull> mwr: can you pastie your code? | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:11:22] <mwr> pastie.org? | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:12:06] <mwr> http://www.pastie.org/219649 | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:12:36] <mwr> realizing there are other apt modules out there, but I'm trying to build one that lets me mix/match as many sources as I want by putting individual repositories into sources.list.d | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:13:55] <jamesturnbull> mwr: with the caveat that I haven't had coffee yet - that should work | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:14:51] <mwr> lemme rerun puppet and get the changes. but iirc, it'll make a /main.list instead of /root/etc/apt/sources.list.d/main.list , and it'll be variable-free except for facter facts. | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:16:01] <mwr> o-k. half right. It is /main.list, but there wasn't any ERB parsing at all in it. | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:16:45] <jamesturnbull> mwr: just trying to work out what you're trying to do? Why not collapse the two classes into one? | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:17:27] <jamesturnbull> mwr: also calling ERB in content like that won't work | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:17:28] <mwr> eventually, I'd want an apt_contrib, an apt_nonfree, etc. Figured it'd be easier to hold system defaults in one place and refer to it in several repo-specific classes. | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:17:44] <mwr> oh. thought I was doing the ${} part wrong at first. | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:19:03] <jamesturnbull> mwr: wiki:PuppetTemplating | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:19:05] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: mwr: wiki:PuppetTemplating is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/PuppetTemplating | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:19:07] <mwr> ok, so using the ${} syntax, I get the facts in, but not my variables from the other class. | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:20:13] <mwr> so now it's /main.list, and its content is 'deb etch main' | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:20:21] <jamesturnbull> mwr: so you don't for example get the ${sources_dir} variable? | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:20:25] <mwr> nope | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:21:36] <jamesturnbull> mwr: let's make this simpler - lose the case statement form the apt_defaults class and just specify the variables | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:21:40] <jamesturnbull> mwr: then test it | ||
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| [2008/06/21 20:23:32] <mwr> no change. /main.list dated 19:23 CDT, content 'deb etch main' | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:23:44] <mwr> repasting current code in a second. | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:24:07] <mwr> done | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:24:41] <jamesturnbull> url? | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:24:48] <mwr> http://www.pastie.org/219653 | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:25:02] <mwr> sorry, thought it would use the original url. | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:25:21] <mwr> and I guess it would if I could tell the difference between 'paste again' and 'edit paste' | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:25:48] <jamesturnbull> mwr: so is it the content or the file name or both you're missing? | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:26:14] <mwr> both. debian_mirror variable and sources_dir variable are both missing in the including class. | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:26:36] <jamesturnbull> mwr: version of pupet? | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:26:53] <mwr> 0.23.1-1 | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:27:15] <mwr> probably have a newer version at home, though. | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:27:36] <mwr> 0.24.1-2 there. | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:31:36] <jamesturnbull> mwr: okay try it with inherting the class for the moment class blah inherits blah2 { } | ||
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| [2008/06/21 20:32:45] <jamesturnbull> mwr: ignore me hang on - I am an idiot | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:32:55] <mwr> whoo | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:32:56] <jamesturnbull> mwr: just testing somehing - be ten ticks | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:33:03] <mwr> that part worked, at least. | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:33:33] <mwr> but a solution you're happier with would be appreciated, too. | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:33:38] <jamesturnbull> mwr: okay - qualified variables - I am slow today | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:33:45] * Shamgar nods. | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:33:48] <Shamgar> oops | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:34:00] <jamesturnbull> mwr: wiki:LanguageTutorial#qualified-variables | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:34:04] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: mwr: wiki:LanguageTutorial#qualified is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/LanguageTutorial#qualified | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:34:13] <mwr> Doh. | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:34:32] <jamesturnbull> mwr: replace $variable with $class::variable | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:34:34] <mwr> was on the tutorial earlier, never saw that part. awesome. | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:35:19] <jamesturnbull> mwr: sorry - I blanked your code and obviously assumed it was there and when I wnet to test it I was qualifying the variables .... which is def. a sign I need coffee | ||
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| [2008/06/21 20:36:33] <mwr> no worries. beats me in my generally-awake state. | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:37:37] <mwr> works fine now, even with the case stuff, so I'm happy. | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:38:08] <jamesturnbull> mwr: but the Tutorial makes sense right? I don't need to update the odoc? | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:38:41] <mwr> that section made sense to me, I just never read the whole thing top-bottom in a while. | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:40:27] <mwr> gotta run. will try to post yet another apt recipe later. | ||
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| [2008/06/21 20:53:37] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Common Misconceptions edited by jamtur01 @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/CommonMisconceptions (by james@lovedthanlost.net) | ||
| [2008/06/21 20:53:37] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Common Misconceptions edited by jamtur01 @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/CommonMisconceptions (by james@lovedthanlost.net) | ||
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