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| [2008/06/04 00:59:42] <msf> hrm | ||
| [2008/06/04 01:00:15] <msf> is there any way from within a class to use facts about another node than the one the class is being applied to ? | ||
| [2008/06/04 01:01:37] <fujin> iClassify | ||
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| [2008/06/04 01:44:11] <holoway> msf: and even then, really it only works well within a template | ||
| [2008/06/04 01:44:26] <holoway> msf: which works fine, in most cases | ||
| [2008/06/04 01:44:40] <holoway> otherwise, you'll want to model what your doing as resource definitions, and export/collect them | ||
| [2008/06/04 01:44:44] <holoway> instead of the raw data | ||
| [2008/06/04 01:47:21] <fujin> holoway: Just getting skype up | ||
| [2008/06/04 01:47:37] <holoway> fujin: I'm holoway42 | ||
| [2008/06/04 01:48:47] <fujin> gohh | ||
| [2008/06/04 01:48:50] <fujin> my wife is in bed asleep | ||
| [2008/06/04 01:48:54] <fujin> it's 5:48pm! | ||
| [2008/06/04 01:48:56] <fujin> what a useless | ||
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| [2008/06/04 02:06:06] <vitasoy> should I consider puppet to be another tool -- when comparing it to rpath/conary? | ||
| [2008/06/04 02:06:45] <vitasoy> i figure you can use conary's packaging to push out configuration changes, or like how ubuntu has some debs that alter certain text configs | ||
| [2008/06/04 02:07:28] <vitasoy> i intend to see for myself, i'm just wondering aloud to "look before I leap" | ||
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| [2008/06/04 03:56:52] <DerekW> jamesturnbull: Hi mate. Do you know what the future holds for git access over http? | ||
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| [2008/06/04 04:58:36] <DavidS> howdy! | ||
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| [2008/06/04 05:20:20] <duritong> hou | ||
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| [2008/06/04 05:39:12] <DerekW> fujin: Regarding #1348, should I be looking at the 0.24.x branch still? | ||
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| [2008/06/04 07:14:53] <msf> is there any reason why this shouldn't work from within | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:14:58] <msf> a definition ? | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:15:28] <msf> import "foo/${name}.pp" | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:16:34] <msf> pastie: url me | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:16:52] <DavidS> msf: imports are done before interpreting defines | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:16:59] <pastie> http://pastie.org/208556 by msf. | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:17:06] <DavidS> put everytihng in there in a class and include the class | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:17:13] <DavidS> ~~ | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:17:34] <DavidS> .. or another define | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:17:43] <msf> I don't think that is going to work | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:17:59] <msf> in my particular situation | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:18:07] <msf> I'm trying to so something kind of twisted | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:18:22] <msf> anyways.. time to go for the day | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:18:26] <msf> I will ponder it tomorrow | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:18:27] * DavidS hasn't seen the $name, | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:18:33] <DavidS> g'night! | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:18:46] <DavidS> you can use autoimport from modules | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:18:54] <msf> the name in this case is "test" | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:19:04] <msf> autoimport ? | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:19:22] <DavidS> "include $module::$name" will load $modulesdir/$module/manifests/$name.pp | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:19:41] <DavidS> can be a define too | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:19:54] <msf> even inside a define ? | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:20:17] <DavidS> include should to that | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:20:37] <msf> ok thanks for the tip | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:20:40] <msf> will try that later | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:20:50] <msf> :-) | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:20:55] <msf> gotta catch my train | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:20:59] <DavidS> c ya! | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:21:49] <silent> Hi. | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:21:51] <silent> After I reinstalled puppet server, client can't connect to server: | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:21:52] <silent> Certificates were not trusted: certificate verify failed | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:21:54] <silent> How can I fix this? | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:22:45] <DavidS> silent: get the $ssldir from the old installation or clean the $ssldir on all clients and re-issue certs | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:24:12] <silent> ok. thanks | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:39:52] <ska-fan> Hi. I'm getting Could not retrieve configuration: Could not find server puppet when starting puppetd | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:40:12] <ska-fan> what's that about? is puppet the host name it tries to connect to? where can I change it? | ||
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| [2008/06/04 07:41:08] <abbe> hi channel | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:41:57] * abbe is trying to make redundant puppet servers, so I've placed configs on drbd partiton, and created a symlink /etc/puppet -> /mnt/drbd/puppet | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:42:48] <abbe> and now, whenever he starts puppetmasterd, it wipes off /etc/puppet symlink and creates a new /etc/puppet | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:44:05] * abbe is running puppetmaster 0.24.4-6 on Debian "etch" | ||
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| [2008/06/04 07:46:42] <abbe> any ideas why is this ? | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:49:53] <Volcane> abbe: cos puppetmaster likes to do things its not been told to do | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:50:15] <abbe> Volcane: hmm...? | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:51:10] <Volcane> i think someone opened a bug for exactly this recently | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:51:20] <Volcane> search through the tickets and tell them its a big problem for you too :) | ||
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| [2008/06/04 07:51:44] <abbe> Volcane: oh, thanks, but this is really idiotic. | ||
| [2008/06/04 07:51:51] <Volcane> abbe: indeed | ||
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| [2008/06/04 08:11:21] <abbe> http://reductivelabs.com/redmine/issues/show/650 is 370 days old | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:16:35] <Volcane> abbe: hmm, i rmember a bug filed last week or even this week | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:16:45] <Volcane> abbe: maybe the dude said he would file a bug and never did :P | ||
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| [2008/06/04 08:17:04] <Volcane> yes | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:17:07] <Volcane> 1239 | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:17:12] <Volcane> and #750 | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:17:14] <gepetto> Volcane: #750 is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/ticket/750 "Puppetmasterd changes /etc/puppet/manifests symlink into directory" | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:18:12] <Volcane> so all i can suggest is add to the bug suggesting it really is a problem for you | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:18:26] <Volcane> or if you know ruby, make a patch | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:18:45] <pookey> hi all. We run our own distro that's based very much on debian ( it uses dpkg/apt/.debs ) - I'm wondering what steps I need to take to write a fact that will allow the distro to be correctly identified. Assuming I know how to write a check to identify our distro - what steps do I need to take to write/distribute the fact and use it within my puppet definitions? | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:19:20] <Volcane> pookey: http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/AddingFacts | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:19:42] <pookey> Volcane: perfect, thanks :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:20:01] <pookey> now I just need to learn ruby ;) | ||
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| [2008/06/04 08:20:18] <Volcane> how would you know if its your distro? is there some file identifying it in /etc or something? | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:22:51] <pookey> well, there will be, at the moment it's a bit nasty in that we will check for a file called /lib/synos/startup - but.. don't help me with the ruby bit, I'll figure it out :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:23:33] <Volcane> pookey: kewl, well what u need sounds very easy :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:25:33] <pookey> yeah, it's a good introduction thing I think... I'm not totally sold on the idea yet, but... I'm getting there :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:27:34] <Volcane> well your custom fact shouldnt need more than 3 lines code :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:27:38] <Volcane> so not a big ruby intro | ||
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| [2008/06/04 08:47:47] <sparanjape> hey guys | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:48:09] <sparanjape> i'm getting Could not request certificate: Certificate does not match private key error when i try to restart puppet on my client | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:48:43] <sparanjape> i deleted my ssl directory under /var/lib/puupet | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:48:56] <sparanjape> did a puppetca --clean servername.pem | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:49:09] <sparanjape> restarted puppet-master & puppetd.. | ||
| [2008/06/04 08:49:13] <sparanjape> still the error persists | ||
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| [2008/06/04 09:02:35] <ashp> holoway: Slowest replying ever from my part, but if I use nodes.pp I can call say, network::ip {} as a define. I assume to do that in iclassify I just throw it in as a tag? | ||
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| [2008/06/04 09:32:06] <ashp> I kind of wish I could do environments from nodes.pp, then I wouldn't need an external node database. | ||
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| [2008/06/04 09:49:31] <jamesturnbull> gepetto: seen lak? | ||
| [2008/06/04 09:49:32] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: lak was last seen 21 hours, 29 minutes and 52 seconds ago, quitting IRC () | ||
| [2008/06/04 09:49:51] <jamesturnbull> gepetto: please update yourself to retrieve redmine urls | ||
| [2008/06/04 09:57:51] <ashp> arghhhhhhhhhhhh, remind me to kill holoway :( | ||
| [2008/06/04 09:58:15] <ashp> jamesturnbull: Is there any technical reason you've seen that environments aren't allowed to come from node{} statements? | ||
| [2008/06/04 09:59:47] <ashp> I've just discovered I have to do all the checkout/install of iclassify just to run icagent it seems :/ | ||
| [2008/06/04 09:59:55] <ashp> I wonder if I can just check it out adn run it from there to register hosts.. | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:00:06] <ashp> So I am back to wishing I didn't have external nodes JUST for environments | ||
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| [2008/06/04 10:03:26] <jamesturnbull> ashp: ah you'd have to ask holoway | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:04:29] <jamesturnbull> ashp: but as to environments from nodes... hmmm not really sure I understand | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:04:46] <jamesturnbull> ashp: you set enviroments at the level up from manifests | ||
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| [2008/06/04 10:11:01] <ashp> It's just a frustrating thing in that I require all this additional infrastructure and work | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:11:07] <ashp> just to provide environments | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:11:18] <ashp> and I don't grasp what's so different from looking up a node in ldap to looking up a node in a node statement | ||
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| [2008/06/04 10:46:53] * Volcane is still happy with individual node files, and each day or listening to ashp makes me happier :P | ||
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| [2008/06/04 10:48:36] <pookey> ra! I have anohter question. I run 'puppetd --server... --test', and I see "notice: Starting catalog run \n wrong number of arguments (2 for 1) \n wrong number of arguments (2 for 1)" - but.... no information as to what's causing that error | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:48:43] <pookey> can someone suggset a way of debugging it? | ||
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| [2008/06/04 10:53:07] <ashp> Volcane: to be honest I was happier with node files | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:53:20] <ashp> Volcane: But the environments let's me tweak stuff easily and maintain different sets of modules | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:53:29] <ashp> Volcane: yet for no reason I can figure out you can only do that if you query an external tool :/ | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:53:48] <Volcane> ashp: i have environments with node files just fine? | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:54:08] <Volcane> ashp: or arent you saying that it wasnt possible before, maybe I'm not following :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:54:30] <ashp> The docs say it doesn't work | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:54:32] <ashp> what do you do to make it work? | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:55:19] <Volcane> well, i create a custom fact that parses a file /etc/facts.txt full of all sorts, one of the facts is environmnet | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:55:22] <Volcane> that works | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:55:31] <Volcane> other option is to push puppet.conf out to clients based on what environment u need them in | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:55:59] <Volcane> not sure you can just set $environment in a node file though, cant say i tried | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:56:39] <ashp> Oh ok, that's the thing I'm complaining about | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:56:56] <Volcane> why is pushing out puppet.conf's not a viable alternative for you? | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:57:12] <ashp> Well, my worry is how do I easily maintain that? | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:57:23] <ashp> I could use a template that sets an environment based on a variable | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:57:27] <Volcane> yeah | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:57:28] <ashp> but then for the first run it'll pick up development as a default | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:57:38] <ashp> maybe there's a way to set the default environment to something else | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:57:53] <Volcane> ashp: nods, keep your 'development' environment really minimal, just takes care of small bootstrapping bits | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:57:54] <ashp> I could set up like, 'default', and then in there JUST have a single module that sets the environment | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:58:01] <Volcane> put down facts, set the right environment etc | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:58:02] <ashp> I was using development, foolishly, for development :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:58:11] <Volcane> prolly is a way | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:58:17] <ashp> I might do exactly that, and have a minimal development if i can't just change it in the conf | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:58:34] <ashp> I wonder.. | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:58:42] <Volcane> yeah, while i dont do it like that, now that i have thought about it for you, it does seem like a fine idea :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:58:42] <ashp> right now I have import "template" in my site.pp | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:58:51] <ashp> I wonder if there's a way to have a template.pp under each environment | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:58:57] <ashp> that sets different baseclasses etc | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:59:16] <ashp> That would be a really easy way to run things rather than addign logic into the template.pp to set baseclass different with a switch or something | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:59:21] <Volcane> ashp: just setting environment=whatever in puppetmaster decides the default environment | ||
| [2008/06/04 10:59:51] <Volcane> ie. inside [puppetmaster] section | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:00:19] <Volcane> so make a bootstrap environment | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:00:24] <Volcane> i like this, I'm gonna do the same. | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:02:30] <ashp> :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:02:33] <ashp> it's actually a really nice idea! | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:04:15] <Volcane> I'd go a looong way to make this work rather than introduce external tools like iclassify, I'm very much against over complexity on the puppetmasters | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:05:32] <ashp> The external node database has been nothing but extra complexity for little gain | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:05:39] <ashp> we only have like 30 nodes, maybe if we had thousands | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:05:44] <Volcane> indeed | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:05:50] <ashp> the other thing is I can always maintain iclassify for scripting purposes | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:05:54] <ashp> and just not drag it into puppet | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:06:03] <ashp> it meant during kickstart i had to install iclassfy, some ruby gems, register the server.. | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:06:13] <ashp> None of it was 'hard', but the issue I have is readability | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:06:23] <ashp> with node statements you can see easily what's included, add comments, call defines.. | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:06:50] <Volcane> yeah, nasty. yeah i avoid too much inheritance etc in node files as well | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:07:08] <ashp> before I go back to nodes I should really find out | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:07:17] <ashp> why it reset my network to nothing on the next run :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:08:06] <ashp> I have $ip = "140.247.207.210" for example in the node "blah", and then in the baseclass that's included I have | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:08:22] <ashp> oh, I moved it from baseclass to site.pp | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:08:32] <ashp> I bet if I put it back it'll work :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:08:45] <Volcane> theres issues with inheritance in nodes and node variables, not sure if thats whats bitig you | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:09:41] <ashp> Well I think it reads site.pp stuff and processes it before doing the nodes | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:09:50] <ashp> when I called them from external it got the variables before processing site.pp | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:10:08] * Volcane 's site.pp just includes nodes, classes, nothing else | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:10:41] <ashp> I was working on ways to force servers to set up the network before anything else | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:10:41] <Volcane> anyway, gotta go improve my memcache monitoring | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:10:45] <ashp> as I can't add global dependencies :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:10:57] <Volcane> ashp: ah, well, bootstrap environment :P | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:11:32] <ashp> i'm working on that right now, i really like the idea of it | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:11:45] <Volcane> kewl, let me know how it works out I'll be keen to hear | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:11:49] <ashp> I will add the network, repos and environment into it | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:12:01] <ashp> oh i'll post on the list if it works nicely as it's a good plan | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:13:08] <Volcane> sweet | ||
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| [2008/06/04 11:24:33] <pookey> fujin: ping | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:26:10] <pookey> fujin: just letting you know RE #1347, I'm here if you want any more information to help track down the issue | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:28:16] <pookey> unfortunatly, I'm a ruby noob :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 11:29:47] <pookey> I have a feeling there's probbaly some ext ention/stack trace being eaten somewhere that would show useful info, behond that... I'm at a loss currently | ||
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| [2008/06/04 12:04:03] <ashp> Hmm. | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:04:14] <ashp> I wonder if I can do a case statement around an import in site.pp | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:04:26] <ashp> so I can import modules/$environment/template | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:04:35] <Volcane> nods, you'd think you could | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:04:54] <ashp> Maybe I'll just have to put the case statement in the standard template and just provide a different baseclass if the environment is boostrap | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:05:27] <ashp> I'm not sure when it would evalulate $environment | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:06:04] <DerekW> jamesturnbull: You about? | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:06:13] <DerekW> Quick Q about ipmess.rb facts | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:06:41] <DerekW> I know you are up till about 1am in Oz ;-) | ||
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| [2008/06/04 12:15:01] <pookey> i don't surpose anyone happens to have a dell PE2850 lying about they could look at for me do they? :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:15:12] <ashp> Oh god, what have I done. | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:15:30] <ashp> Could not retreive catalog: undefined method 'safeevaluate' for nil:NilClass at templates.pp:45 | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:15:58] <Volcane> ashp: hehe | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:16:12] <ashp> this is with a case {} around my baseclass | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:17:00] <stick> does anyone have an example type that modifies entries on a single line? | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:17:28] <sigmonsays> somehow puppet discovered the hostname of the machine but the system command `hostname` says Unknown host. Are there variables I could use in puppet to put the correct entries into /etc/hosts ? | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:17:29] <ashp> This safeevaluate thing sounds bad. | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:17:32] <stick> or more specifically has anyone done any work around typing sshd_config (and even more specifically AllowGroups/Users) | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:17:57] <ashp> andrewcshafer: you should totally wake up and help ;) | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:18:37] <martha> sigmonsays: http://pastie.caboo.se/208714 | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:20:26] <andrewcshafer> ashp: I'm in the training class trying to learn how to use puppet :) Can I see a pastie? | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:21:05] <sigmonsays> cheers martha | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:23:03] <sigmonsays> :: is basically / in a module path right? | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:23:19] <martha> yes | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:23:28] <sigmonsays> so you can include "dns::hosts::default" and dns/init.pp knows how to load the rest. | ||
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| [2008/06/04 12:23:32] <sigmonsays> ok. just wanted to make sure | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:23:33] <martha> that file is in modules/dns/manifests/hosts/default.pp | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:24:46] <ashp> andrewcshafer: I just changed everything to a different method, let me test this first :) | ||
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| [2008/06/04 12:32:17] <ashp> This is tricker than I hoped. | ||
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| [2008/06/04 12:37:17] * Volcane will have to try tonight :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 12:37:43] <Volcane> though i suspect your whole setup is way more complex than mine, I'm sure it'll be trivial to get going for me with my manifests | ||
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| [2008/06/04 13:07:01] <Volcane> ashp: i got it working. | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:07:37] <Volcane> ashp: fresh installed machine uses a default node, and defaults to bootstrap enviroment, it then fetches custom facts, does some general fiddling like delete junk yum repos | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:07:52] <Volcane> ashp: 2nd puppet run it is in the production/development/whatever environment and does the rest | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:08:13] <ashp> wow, you're smarter than me | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:08:39] <Volcane> so my bootsrap environment has no nodes, just default node | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:08:50] <Volcane> that includes the puppet client, custom facts etc | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:09:02] <Volcane> 2nd run based on data in the customfact its then in the righ environment | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:09:08] <ashp> Hmm, I didn't use the custom node idea, because I set a hostname as part of the kickstart | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:09:09] <Volcane> and uses the node file in that environment | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:09:12] <ashp> er, default node | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:09:31] <Volcane> yeah, but how will you have a minimal run if you use a known node? | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:09:36] <ashp> I was struggling with how to pick the stuff to run on the nodes depending on what environment exists | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:09:41] <Volcane> maintain different node files depending on environment? | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:09:58] <Volcane> ashp: hmm | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:09:58] <ashp> well what I was doing was running a define called defaultclass | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:10:03] <ashp> providing the environment to that define | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:10:08] <ashp> and then in the define doing case $name | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:10:14] <ashp> and bootstrap: {include bootstrap} | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:10:22] <ashp> but that didn't work :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:10:26] <Volcane> right, seee, i keep things simple :P | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:10:38] <ashp> I realised if there's no $environment set at all | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:10:39] <Volcane> will msg you rather than bore the gneral # ppl | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:10:48] <ashp> hmm, In a case can I do "": | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:12:07] <ashp> Can I do "": to match on an empty variable? | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:12:08] <ashp> in a case | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:12:44] <benp-> ive seen it done | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:12:53] <ashp> it's ok I didn't realise that templatedir existed | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:12:57] <ashp> that solves all my problems | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:14:40] <ashp> if you include modules that don't exist as part of a baseclass | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:14:47] <ashp> do they get ignored if in an environment that doesn't provide them? | ||
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| [2008/06/04 13:25:25] <muerr> Ah, finally. http://github.com/jtimberman/puppet/tree/master | ||
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| [2008/06/04 13:30:27] <ashp> i am being driven insane by this | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:30:54] <ashp> muerr: Your modules? | ||
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| [2008/06/04 13:31:31] <ashp> I should steal the dell module as we use dell servers | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:31:36] <ashp> i don't even install that stuff | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:31:48] <muerr> ashp: hehe | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:31:59] <muerr> ashp: yeah thats what i've been given the ok on posting. | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:32:15] <muerr> there's all kinds of implied configuration that i didn't document (and probably won't) | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:32:17] <ashp> :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:32:26] <muerr> see also the disclaimer in my group posting. | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:32:30] <ashp> it's ok, my modules are an incesteous nest of terror when it comes to things like that | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:32:38] <muerr> terror and woe! | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:32:54] <muerr> the md3000 stuff is a work in progress, as is the heartbeat. | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:32:56] <ashp> we're busy adding a default environment 'bootstrap', that'll add puppet clients to an environment pulled from a variable set in nodes.pp, it's horrible and doesn't work properly | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:33:00] <ashp> but it means no more external node stuff | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:33:51] <ashp> so why are they so conservative about letting you publish this stuff? | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:36:46] <muerr> primarily that we maintain a vendor neutral stance as far as our training/courses go, and senior management doesn't want anyone to think that we're "endorsing" particular tools. | ||
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| [2008/06/04 13:37:20] <muerr> and it took awhile for me to take the 10 minutes to actually push it out. | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:37:23] <muerr> :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:38:07] <benp-> sounds like you work in a big organisation | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:42:19] <muerr> It sounds that way. | ||
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| [2008/06/04 13:46:03] <ashp> ahhh, neutrality, i get you | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:46:27] <ashp> so, my next step is to hack github and add comments all through your tree saying ## USE DELL HERE BECAUSE HP ARE A TERRIBLE MONSTER OF A COMPANY | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:46:47] <muerr> Okay. | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:47:02] <ashp> "We here at SANS despise mysql" | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:47:11] <muerr> Its set up on my own github account, so SANS could easily deny any association :-) | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:47:17] <ashp> that's no fun :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:47:22] <muerr> That was on purpose. | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:47:30] <ashp> i'm just glad i don't ahve a commit history on github | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:47:39] <ashp> because most of my commit messages aren't... publishable | ||
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| [2008/06/04 13:50:19] <muerr> lol | ||
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| [2008/06/04 13:50:40] <muerr> most of mine are ... repeats. that may not be relevant to the actual files being committed. | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:51:00] <ashp> actually 90% of mine, on checking are | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:51:03] <muerr> i have an alias for svn ci -F ~/svnlog, and svnlog may not be updated necessarily. | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:51:03] <ashp> fix? | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:51:06] <ashp> and test | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:51:24] <ashp> 90% of the time it's dozens of small changes to try and fix whatever I broke this time | ||
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| [2008/06/04 13:57:50] <muerr> :-) | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:58:09] <muerr> someone needs to disable their autorejoin on disconnect :-\ | ||
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| [2008/06/04 13:59:44] <benp-> whats wrong with HP? | ||
| [2008/06/04 13:59:57] <benp-> hp > dell | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:00:25] <ashp> i prefer hp machines | ||
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| [2008/06/04 14:05:57] <muerr> We've already got a pile of Dell at our old data center, and were able to get pretty good pricing on the new Dells, so therefore, we have Dells :-) | ||
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| [2008/06/04 14:06:37] <ashp> We use dells because we use dells | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:06:41] <ashp> that's the logic as best I can tell :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:06:45] <muerr> rad. | ||
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| [2008/06/04 14:08:58] <benp-> we don't use dells because they change too quickly | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:09:07] <benp-> we want to be able to buy the same servers in 6 months | ||
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| [2008/06/04 14:18:05] <muerr> benp-: fair enough. we were bummed when they released lower power usage 2950's not two months after we went through a power circuit issue with the ones we have. | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:18:30] <benp-> ouch | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:19:19] <muerr> got it resolved now - turned up a couple more circuits. | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:19:44] <muerr> wasn't a huge deal, we couldn't power on two additional systems we wanted to deploy initially. | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:20:18] <muerr> and even then, we could have, but the hosting provider said we were over the 80% required by 'code'. | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:20:53] <benp-> dealing with power is no fun | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:21:19] <benp-> although, it usually gets better if your data center is a warehouse instead of an office building | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:21:25] <benp-> or a building built to be a data center | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:21:29] <Volcane> i like IBMs but they do work out pretty pricey | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:21:36] <Volcane> sun intel kit isnt half bad either | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:22:57] <Volcane> well, intel/amd | ||
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| [2008/06/04 14:25:15] <muerr> IBM hardware is pretty good, but I was always frustrated at IBM that RSA cards weren't required purchase :-\. | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:25:27] <muerr> And many customers taht actually had them didn't have them connected to any network | ||
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| [2008/06/04 14:25:57] <Volcane> muerr: yeah i think they should be required too! | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:26:09] <Volcane> muerr: though i mostly buy blades from ibm thesedays | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:26:31] <muerr> Mmmm. Blades. | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:26:37] <Volcane> muerr: so much easier on cabling, but now we get such a dismal power allowance from ISPs here that its becoming difficult | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:26:41] <muerr> Only worked on one account with a bladecenter. | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:27:28] <Volcane> bladecenter + alteon layer 7 switches in the chassis, very nice web server group | ||
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| [2008/06/04 14:29:48] <ashp> http://www.nanowerk.com/news/newsid=5935.php <-- this is not puppet related but sheer awesome | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:30:10] <Volcane> yeah self hosting hardware is way kewl :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:30:23] <ashp> They made a mistake, they should have made it create itself 10% smaller :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:30:32] <Volcane> hehe | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:30:34] <ashp> Then let it go to work until they had tiny tiny nanobots :) | ||
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| [2008/06/04 14:48:59] <ashp> I just don't get it! | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:49:05] <ashp> Once again it's trying to read in development/ modules | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:49:07] <ashp> Rather than bootstrap/ | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:50:03] <ashp> Jun 4 14:44:35 hlslinutil02 puppetmasterd[3996]: Failed to parse template dns/hosts.erb: Could not find value for 'puppet' at /etc/puppet/modules/development/dns/manifests/hosts.pp:23 on node hlsbuild01.law.harvard.edu | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:50:05] <muerr> well, development is the default environment puppet uses. | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:50:19] <ashp> <%= puppet %> puppet iclassify iclassify.law.harvard.edu | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:50:24] <ashp> muerr: not on my configuration. | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:50:59] <ashp> Hmm, the issue seems to be | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:51:20] <ashp> in hosts.pp: case $location { | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:51:23] <ashp> "internal": | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:51:30] <ashp> And it seems like it's not getting $location from nodes.pp | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:51:42] <ashp> oh god i'm so stupid | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:51:45] <ashp> this is so painful :( | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:51:52] <ashp> I should just fire myself and hire someone new to do this. | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:52:33] <ashp> I forgot to reimport nodes.pp after swapping back. | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:53:21] <plathrop> ashp: You might want to make the hire before you fire... otherwise you lose your authority :-P | ||
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| [2008/06/04 14:54:18] <ashp> I can't believe I forgot to include nodes again, no wonder it wasn't picking up $location | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:56:46] <muerr> :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:57:08] <ashp> It still, despite not having an environment, defaulted to my development tree, so it's not fixed yet, but at least it's running. | ||
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| [2008/06/04 14:58:20] <ashp> [puppetmaster] | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:58:23] <ashp> environment = bootstrap | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:58:32] <ashp> That should have set the default environment to bootstrap, but it seems not to work. | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:58:40] <Volcane> what does puppetmaster --genconfig say? | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:58:50] <Volcane> does it say environment is now bootstrap instead of development? | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:59:26] <ashp> root@hlslinutil02(puppet)$ /usr/sbin/puppetmasterd --genconfig | grep environ | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:59:28] <Volcane> # puppetmasterd --genconfig|grep "environment =" | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:59:28] <Volcane> environment = bootstrap | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:59:34] <ashp> There's no uncommented matches | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:59:48] <Volcane> sheesh dude, you're stuff broken bad :P | ||
| [2008/06/04 14:59:57] <ashp> I wonder what on earth :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:00:03] <ashp> can you paste your working conf? | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:00:05] <ashp> Something somewhere is mangled badly | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:01:41] <Volcane> you dont still have puppetmaster.conf or something lying around? | ||
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| [2008/06/04 15:01:58] <ashp> nope, didn't use puppet that long ago | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:02:02] <Volcane> hehe | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:02:13] <ashp> I just don't know why my configuration is so broken but I want to see a working one :) | ||
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| [2008/06/04 15:03:41] <ashp> --genconfig just shows 'available' configuration, not my existing, right? | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:03:46] <ashp> So it wouldn't appear in there anyway | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:03:48] <Volcane> existing | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:03:54] <ashp> Oh. hmm | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:03:55] <Volcane> it appears in mine :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:04:09] <ashp> I should see things like my other (working) environments then I guess | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:04:17] <Volcane> see your privmsg | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:04:19] <ashp> # environment = development | ||
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| [2008/06/04 15:05:24] <ashp> Solved, thanks volcane :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:05:38] <Volcane> sweet | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:08:03] * Volcane wonders what will happen if you say before => Filebucket["puppet"] or another of those internal classes lke Schedule["weekly"] etc | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:08:13] <Volcane> since it seems to put those in real early into the execution | ||
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| [2008/06/04 15:24:48] <ashp> This was a brilliant idea, the bootstrap thing is really nice | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:24:55] @ Quit: shake-n-bake: | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:24:55] <ashp> I wonder if this is what everyone else was doing and we're just silly ;) | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:26:44] <muerr> we're not using environments [yet]. | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:26:59] <Volcane> works best if you're only using modules | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:28:42] <ashp> muerr: What we're doing is setting the default environment to 'bootstrap', having that template puppet.conf to add a environment = development (or whatever) via a $localenv = development variable in nodes.pp | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:28:50] <ashp> and then on next run it's in the right environment | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:29:00] <ashp> It lets me put servers into an environment without managing anything | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:29:13] <ashp> changing the variable will change the environment in future, so it's always functional | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:29:30] <Volcane> also means u can *force* things to be done *first* | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:29:34] <Volcane> which is really hard in puppet atm | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:29:52] <ashp> Yes, I also now setup my network, two repos and rhn-reg in the bootstrap enviroment | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:30:01] <ashp> so I no longer require any require => lines elsewhere in my modules | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:30:10] <ashp> seperating site requirements from 'module' requirements which was my aim | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:33:13] <muerr> Yeah, pretty slick actually. ashp, you might put that on the wiki :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:33:33] <ashp> I'm going to post up to the list when i finish all the testing to make sure it works | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:33:37] <muerr> thats something i had considered doing with environments, but there were a couple bugs with environments open at the time i looked into it that i stayed away. | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:33:41] <ashp> as it 'seemed' to find dev/ stuff still | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:33:44] <muerr> might have to revisit them though. | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:33:53] <ashp> i think it actually was just running puppetd in the background before I manually typed in puppetd -tv h owever | ||
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| [2008/06/04 15:34:14] <ashp> hmm no, it did install dev stuff first | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:34:35] <ashp> I'm still working out if a/ i can pick different template.pp based on the module path and remove it from the globla area | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:34:43] <greenmoss> hey, all: is there a way to get puppet to source a file IFF the source file exists, but fall back on a default if not? | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:35:02] <ashp> or b/ make a define instead of include baseclass, one that checks $environment and sets include bootstrap if $enviroment = "", and sets include baseclass for any other value | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:36:53] <Volcane> greenmoss: if you specify an array to source => it wil take the first one that exist | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:37:10] <greenmoss> Volcane: oh yeah, forgot about that... excellent, thanks! | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:38:18] <ashp> oh my god | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:38:21] <ashp> that was beautiful | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:38:21] <greenmoss> dude, I think that just saved me at least an hour of futzing | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:38:29] <Volcane> greenmoss: hehe | ||
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| [2008/06/04 15:38:34] <ashp> It added environment = development, reparsed puppet.conf and then ran the rest of the configuration | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:38:38] <ashp> my define works perfectly apparently! | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:38:42] <Volcane> ashp: sweet :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:38:48] <muerr> Nice. | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:38:50] <ashp> I'll go post it up now, this is fantastic | ||
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| [2008/06/04 15:42:37] <ashp> how bizarre, I ran pupept on the puppetmaster | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:42:44] <ashp> and it removed its own hostname from /etc/sysconfig/network | ||
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| [2008/06/04 15:42:57] <ashp> That was unexpected as the template uses hostname from facter | ||
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| [2008/06/04 15:43:41] <holoway> ashp: you should be putting things you used to put in the body of a node definition inside classes | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:43:53] <holoway> there is no way with any external node tool to do anything else | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:44:01] <holoway> (this isn't an iClassify thing, it's a puppet thing) | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:44:38] <holoway> and for icagent, all you need is ./bin, ./lib and ./icagent | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:45:01] <ashp> holoway: That makes sense, I was pulling in the bits of ruby I needed for icagent and actually got it working | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:45:14] <ashp> but I also worked out a way to use no external node classifer to get environments working | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:45:18] <ashp> which is also making me happy :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:45:34] <ashp> I may use puppet to deploy icagent onto every server and have them register in anywhere as a central base that I can switch to later | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:45:42] <holoway> right | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:45:45] <ashp> it also fixed my problem with needing some site dependencies before packages | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:45:48] <holoway> that's a pretty cvommon migration path | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:45:56] <ashp> because I have a 'bootstrap' environment that does just that | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:45:57] <holoway> if you already have puppet | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:46:29] <ashp> I have the iclassify up and running anyway so I can meddle at my leisure, I'm out soon because my wife is going to give birth, so they want me to have something 'tested' up quickly before I run off | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:46:39] <ashp> leaving my coworker to puzzle out iclassify, so I moved to nodes.pp for now :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:46:47] <muer1> lol | ||
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| [2008/06/04 15:54:23] <sazma> hi all... lak around? | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:54:37] <holoway> ashp: congrats on the birth, btw | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:55:03] <sazma> or anyone who knows the code well enough to talk about librubyshadow or whatever it's called | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:55:40] * Volcane knows to install it and hey presto passwords get set :P | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:55:55] <sazma> yea, it's very linux-y | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:56:12] <holoway> sazma: what do you want to know | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:56:16] <muer1> yeah, double congrats, is that your first? | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:56:24] <sazma> and I'm wondering if there's a way to, if I know how to slam crypts on other OSes, quickly get them working | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:56:26] <ashp> my first, yes :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:56:29] <ashp> not my wifes first, but mine! | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:56:30] <muer1> awesome. | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:56:45] <ashp> She's busy having all kinds of serious contractions at this point, we ended up at hospital once | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:56:49] <ashp> so it can't be too much longer | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:56:55] <muer1> heh heh | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:56:57] <ashp> I just posted to the list, can anyone have a quick read and see if that makes some sort of sense | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:56:59] <muer1> yeah. we did that. | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:57:06] <muer1> they sent us home. | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:57:07] <ashp> she was so mad i made her go to the hospital :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:57:18] <ashp> yeah, I got double grief for being sent home after 2 hours of walking | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:57:32] <muer1> I bet. | ||
| [2008/06/04 15:58:21] <sazma> any ideas? | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:00:38] <ashp> ruby-shadow? | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:00:42] <ashp> I just shoved it into an rpm | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:00:47] <ashp> that i install in kickstart | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:00:49] <ashp> what is it you're trying to do? | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:01:11] <holoway> sazma: I think it should work fine -- all libshadow is really doing is letting you parse the shdaow file, I believe | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:01:28] <holoway> it doesn't do encryption for you | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:02:02] <holoway> so assuming the platform supports /etc/shadow at all, you should be able to throw whatever crypted string you want in there | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:02:07] <sazma> holoway: yea I'm just looking at the code now... sadly it has it's own shadow.c that's compiled and req's some linuxy libs :( | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:02:15] @ Quit: muerr: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:02:18] <holoway> sazma: ahhh | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:02:27] * Volcane just grabbed ruby-shadow rpm from rpmforge and popped it into local repos | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:02:40] <holoway> sazma: what platform do you want to use it on? | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:02:59] <sazma> hp-ux and solaris | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:03:12] <sazma> and our HP-UX is TCB | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:03:28] <sazma> but there's a command for stuffing crypts into the right place | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:04:53] <sazma> yea, librubyshadow create's a shared object that ruby loads I guess... I was hoping it was just written in ruby | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:05:10] <holoway> right, it links against libshadow | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:05:36] <holoway> you might just need to patch the solaris and hp-ux providers | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:11:44] <Volcane> OT but is anyone here misfortuned enough to have to serve up flash files to new flash clients that require the custom daemon to listen on port 843? | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:13:02] <sigmonsays> if I remove files from /var/lib/puppet/ssl/ca/signed and /var/lib/puppet/ssl/* from clients -- is it all I need to re-reg 'em? | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:13:06] <sigmonsays> (hostnames changed) | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:14:07] <sazma> sigmonsays: I think there's a --clean option to puppetca... might be better than going around the app | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:14:20] <sigmonsays> ahh -- ok. cheers sazma | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:14:22] <Volcane> yes | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:14:52] <ashp> yes, puppetca --clean | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:14:55] <ashp> i do this like 100 times a day :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:16:12] <sigmonsays> does ti do anything besides remove the file? :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:16:21] <Volcane> it knows which to remove :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:18:53] <sigmonsays> cheers | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:25:06] @ Quit: greenmoss: | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:26:22] <sigmonsays> how do I keep puppetmasterd from going daemon() ? | ||
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| [2008/06/04 16:27:50] <sigmonsays> i'm reliably crashing puppetd w/ my new batch of signed nodes and I wanna figger out why! | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:28:01] <sigmonsays> s/puppetd/puppetmasterd/ | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:30:26] <Volcane> --no-daemonize i think | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:33:32] <sigmonsays> cheers | ||
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| [2008/06/04 16:35:41] <sigmonsays> does this mean anything to anyone? | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:35:56] <sigmonsays> "rb_gc_mark(): unknown data type " | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:36:11] <sigmonsays> from my strace | ||
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| [2008/06/04 16:42:47] <ashp> I swear this whole thing I did today doesn't work and it still shovels over things from development. | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:43:00] <ashp> I can tell by the Defaultclass[development] thing :O | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:43:40] * sigmonsays is tracing down a mysterious puppetmasterd crash | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:43:44] <ashp> I wonder why it doesn't work properly, it's kind of frustrating. | ||
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| [2008/06/04 16:44:52] <ashp> It's odd because there's no way it should be able to even find stuff in development/ by default. | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:46:47] <ashp> Maybe it still puts them in development if there's a node entry | ||
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| [2008/06/04 16:48:33] <ashp> I guess I'll have to check with lak@ on that one. | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:49:17] <sigmonsays> anyone know what C extensions puppetmasterd uses? | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:49:21] <sigmonsays> i'm not sure hwo to debug them... | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:49:26] <shadoi> ashp: I missed what you said before, but development is the default environment. | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:49:32] <shadoi> sigmonsays: none? | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:49:40] <ashp> I have set environment = bootstrap in [puppetmasterd] | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:49:57] <ashp> My understanding was any node that didn't have an explicit environment would attempt to use bootstrap after that | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:50:03] <sigmonsays> shadoi, not according to my bug, "rb_gc_mark(): [BUG] .. " says ruby referenced an invalid variable | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:50:12] <sigmonsays> (in a C extension) | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:50:37] <shadoi> sigmonsays: I've never heard of any C extensions. They are likely from other gems or ruby libs. | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:50:54] <shadoi> rb_gc_mark is the ruby garbage collector I think | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:51:25] <sigmonsays> I can only see this error in strace write() stmt. I can't seem to get logging to work -- or the daemon is segfaulting before it gets flushed9) | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:51:37] <sigmonsays> (I don't have the full error ;-() | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:51:43] <shadoi> sigmonsays: what platform & ruby version? | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:51:57] <sigmonsays> 1.81 on x86_64 | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:52:04] <sigmonsays> 1.8.1* | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:52:20] <shadoi> 1.8.2 is required, and has had some reported issues. I'd go for 1.8.6. | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:53:12] <sigmonsays> seems like a dependancy nightmare on my old machines but i'll look into it. | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:53:25] <sigmonsays> strange part it is only happens when 20+ hosts clobber the master | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:53:54] <shadoi> hmm, it sounds like a buffer overrun <cringe/> | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:54:04] <shadoi> never heard of it on newer versions though | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:55:37] <mmestnik> It's hard to find anything about puppet that is not related to templates, manifests, objects... cloth and string. | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:56:18] <Volcane> puppetmasters that aret in mongel does all manner of weird++ shit when concurrency gets high | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:57:14] <holoway> sigmonsays: ruby 1.8.1 is reeeally old | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:57:49] <holoway> aanyone in here familiar with Control Tier? | ||
| [2008/06/04 16:59:14] <mmestnik> I'm looking for the instructions on using cron to run puppet. I'm only loading Ruby into memory, just for puppet and I need to free 24m of ram. I guess I could stand to have my cache polluted, but I'm now wishing puppet was written in perl, php, or c. | ||
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| [2008/06/04 17:00:03] <shadoi> mmestnik: look at the --onetime option | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:00:26] <Volcane> yeah, puppetd --onetime --no-daemonize | ||
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| [2008/06/04 17:00:34] <holoway> mmestnik: and probably the --no-daemonize | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:00:36] <mmestnik> ...so lazy. I need to copy and paste or my life force will be forever drained. | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:00:44] <ashp> Volcane: I just confirmed | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:00:50] <Volcane> ashp: yeah? | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:00:51] <ashp> that if you have no env set in the puppet.conf on the client | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:00:54] <ashp> regardless of what you set the server to | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:00:58] <ashp> it uses development anyway | ||
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| [2008/06/04 17:01:39] <Volcane> well that goes 100% againt what puppetmaster --genconfig suggests | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:01:44] <Volcane> and what my own nodes does | ||
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| [2008/06/04 17:03:37] <ashp> How odd, I removed it from the puppet.conf on the client | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:03:41] <ashp> added a statement in nodes.pp to say | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:03:49] <ashp> notice "env is $environment" | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:03:54] <ashp> and it put in the logs env is development | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:04:01] * Volcane checks | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:04:26] <shadoi> ashp: had the node checked in previously in the development environment? | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:04:40] <ashp> yes | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:04:44] <shadoi> That's probably why. | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:04:49] <ashp> well no hang on | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:04:55] <ashp> from the server or client POV? | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:05:00] <ashp> because I reinstalled the client fully from scratch | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:05:03] <shadoi> If the server has never seen the client before it will use the environment specified. | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:05:06] <ashp> but from the server POV it's checked in before | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:05:22] <ashp> And I take it that --clean and --sign doesn't remove that environment state? | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:05:29] <shadoi> I'm not certain | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:05:39] <shadoi> probably not | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:05:42] <ashp> i'd say not based on testing, but i need to dive in further | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:05:47] <ashp> well damn, this explains what i'm seeing at least | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:05:55] <ashp> if you do --clean it should probably remove any state related to the client | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:06:04] <shadoi> clean is CA related | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:06:07] <martha> maybe in the yaml on the server? | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:06:10] <ashp> or at least have a puppetmaster --clean option | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:06:14] <shadoi> and client state wasn't stored on the server until very recently | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:06:22] <ashp> ah so this is a new feature | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:06:31] <ashp> well at leasti know where to look, i'll work out a way to clean it up | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:06:40] <ashp> i gotta go check on my wife, but i'll brb in an hour or so to fix this :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:06:41] <shadoi> I didn't think it was even read.... so I may be spewing lies | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:09:53] <sigmonsays> can I mix puppetd's with 1.8.1 ruby and puppetmasters with 1.8.6 ruby's ? | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:10:13] * sigmonsays thinks so but never knows... | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:10:17] <shadoi> probably, but I don't recommend it. | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:10:23] <holoway> sigmonsays: I wouldn't trust 1.8.1 ruby to run puppet | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:10:34] <holoway> at least 1.8.5 | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:10:43] <sigmonsays> hehe. been workin thus far :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:10:49] <sigmonsays> puppetmasterd sucks though | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:10:58] <holoway> and really, you'll want some of the patches from 1.8.5's release series | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:11:01] <holoway> like the hash memory leak fix | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:11:17] <sigmonsays> word. 1.8.6 is stable I see anyways. i've jsut got some really outdated boxes | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:11:24] <holoway> (hence shadoi saying 1.8.6) | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:11:27] <holoway> yeah | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:11:40] <holoway> (more evidence that ruby is perl stuck in a time warp) | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:14:04] <stick> so I recently started getting this error: | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:14:13] <Volcane> ashp: Jun 4 22:13:17 78.47.195.194 puppetmasterd[30447]: (Scope(Node[default])) Bootstrapping dev1.me.com in bootstrap | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:14:18] <stick> "Failed to generate additional resources during transaction: You must set the 'external_nodes' parameter to use the external node terminus" | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:14:42] <Volcane> ashp: donno mate, you've got weird stuff, just pop a puppet.conf out of your build environent with the config bits to force the node into bootstrap first run | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:14:49] <stick> but I do have set: | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:14:50] <stick> external_nodes = /usr/local/bin/puppet_node.pl | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:14:50] <stick> node_terminus = exec | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:14:54] <shadoi> stick: is your external_node script timing out? | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:15:15] <stick> hmm, shouldn't be it's pretty simple | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:15:17] * stick looks | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:15:51] <shadoi> if it queries a DB or something, it may time out occasionally | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:16:51] <mmestnik> I used a system called by cron prior to starting to use puppet, one feature I would like it to stagger server config changes. | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:16:55] <stick> nope, it just reads a yaml file from the fs adds a 'base' class and dumps it back out | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:17:25] <mmestnik> I used this to build my crontabs: mark=$(( $(hostname | sum | cut -f1 -d\ ) % 30 )); echo ${mark},$(( ${mark} + 30 )) | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:17:29] <stick> mmestnik: there's a splay option you can use, also some people don't run the puppet daemon but instead run puppet standalone out of cron | ||
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| [2008/06/04 17:19:34] <stick> shadoi: the other thing that has me confused is this just started today, with no obvious changes around that part of things | ||
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| [2008/06/04 17:20:00] <fujin> morning | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:20:01] <fujin> chaps | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:20:01] <fujin> ! | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:20:05] <shadoi> stick: it happens every time now? | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:20:06] <shadoi> fujin: yo | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:20:39] <stick> it was | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:20:40] <stick> hmm | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:20:50] <stick> bounced puppetmaster and it seems to have cleared up | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:20:53] * stick tests some more | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:20:58] <shadoi> stick: eek, that sounds nasty. | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:21:08] <shadoi> might want to file a bug while you've still got logs, etc. | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:22:33] <stick> pastie: url | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:22:41] <pastie> http://pastie.org/208951 by stick. | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:22:49] <stick> that's the extent | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:23:04] <fujin> wtf? | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:23:07] <fujin> that's weird. | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:24:59] <stick> yeah | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:25:08] <mmestnik> ne1 know the debian package for RDoc::usage? | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:27:11] <Volcane> rdoc | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:27:50] <fujin> ^ | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:29:01] <sigmonsays> anyone know if puppet requires ruby to be built with tcltk ? | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:29:10] <fujin> shouldn't hope so | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:29:15] <sigmonsays> ;) | ||
| [2008/06/04 17:29:16] <fujin> I've never 'built' ruby :} | ||
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| [2008/06/04 17:29:47] <shadoi> sigmonsays: I'd recommend looking at the build configs in a well-known package | ||
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| [2008/06/04 17:43:23] <fujin> bleh - redmine needs an inline ticket attachment viewer | ||
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| [2008/06/04 18:16:00] <patobrien> I ran into a weird problem with filebucket today, I am not sure if it was a bug, I found this ticket which sort of relates to it: http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/ticket/890 | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:16:51] <patobrien> I had a file function which all it did was make sure the folder exists | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:17:06] <patobrien> and whenever it ran, it would back up the entire contents of the folder to filebucket, which would in turn fill up the entire partition | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:17:12] <patobrien> has anyone run into this? | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:17:32] <fujin> backup => false | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:17:44] <patobrien> yeah, we did that afterward | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:17:53] <patobrien> is that behavior typical, though? | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:20:33] <fujin> hrmmrhm | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:20:36] <fujin> yes, I'd say it is. | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:20:51] <fujin> especially if you're overriding all Files with backup => true. | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:24:44] <patobrien> ok, I didn't expect it to back everything up, just make sure that the folder was present | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:24:52] <patobrien> now I know :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:27:46] <fujin> well, ensuring that a folder is present with backup => true means it'll ensure the changes, and store anything prior to that | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:27:55] <fujin> it's a bit tricky | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:28:20] <patobrien> is backup => true assumed by default? | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:28:33] <fujin> no, don't think so ;] | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:28:39] <patobrien> hm | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:28:41] <fujin> you've probably got a File { backup => blah } | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:29:26] <patobrien> probably, but why wouldn't it do it to the other ensure => directory, 's that I had else where | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:29:34] <patobrien> oh well, live and learn | ||
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| [2008/06/04 18:34:13] <ashp> Volcane: From the reply to my mail, someone else had my problem :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:38:59] <Volcane> ashp: nods, I've been doing some testing | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:39:06] <Volcane> ashp: its seems unpredictable | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:39:29] <Volcane> ashp: but, u can make it do what it should always by just deploing a puppet.conf from your kickstart that forces the thing into bootstrap env | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:40:11] <ashp> I think that's probably what I'll do | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:40:18] <Volcane> works 100% | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:40:26] <ashp> I just have to work out how to dist a file in kickstart | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:40:31] <ashp> i guess i can just wget it on top | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:41:45] <Volcane> nods, all u need is 2 echo's >> /etc/puppet/puppet.conf | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:41:54] <Volcane> environments = bootstrap | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:41:59] <Volcane> environment = bootstrap | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:42:06] <Volcane> just append that to the default puppet config | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:48:48] <Volcane> k, well now that i had time to test it proper in detail, I think we'll defo need to push a puppet config on the clients | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:48:53] <Volcane> but other than that, it works a charm | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:48:59] <Volcane> still. easier than installing iclassify :P | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:51:50] <ashp> aye | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:51:59] <ashp> I can modify the puppet.conf easily enough, it's not a big deal | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:52:07] <ashp> it makes sense that the client always overrides the server | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:52:19] <ashp> but ideally we should modify puppet that if no environment is added | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:52:23] <ashp> it should use the servers default | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:52:28] <ashp> and not randomly select development :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:55:48] <Volcane> yes, it should do what the comments in puppetmaster --genconfig says it does | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:55:49] <Volcane> which it doesnt | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:55:53] <Volcane> or perhaps | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:56:03] <Volcane> the client is defaulting to sending development as an environment | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:56:10] <Volcane> and so theres no default in the master to apply | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:56:12] <Volcane> thats no doubt it | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:57:29] <muerr> ugh rhel4 sucks. | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:58:49] <shadoi> amen. | ||
| [2008/06/04 18:58:54] * fujin nods | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:00:12] <fujin> I'm pretty much satisfied that all RHEL sucks :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:01:12] <muerr> rhel5 at least uses yum | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:01:51] <muerr> but i've gotta kludge together a yum installation in order to use half the crap i had written for rhel5 in puppet, all because zimbra hasn't bothered to start supporting RHEL 5 with RHCS 5 on the cluster version. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:02:27] <muerr> and that was all because they don't support zimbra on centos 5. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:02:34] <fujin> <3 RHCS! | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:02:44] <muerr> <3 VCS :P | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:02:50] <fujin> blagh | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:02:52] <muerr> lol | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:05:07] <ashp> hmm, what's --tag for, i don't see that in --help :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:05:12] <Volcane> zimbra works ok on centos 5, just not officially so | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:06:33] <fujin> ashp: only runs stuff with the tag you specify | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:06:45] <ashp> hmm, so puppetd -o --tag no_such_tag --waitforcert 600 | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:06:50] <ashp> should actually generate a cert request? | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:06:58] <fujin> maybe? :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:06:59] <ashp> It's not working during kickstart so I thought I'd finally look at why | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:07:00] <fujin> Does it? | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:07:23] <Volcane> ashp: theres another way to bootstrap - tag your bootstrap stuff with bootstrap and run it once with --tag. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:07:40] <ashp> it sets up puppet enough to send the cert request when the machine does the regular reboot | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:07:49] <ashp> so I guess I'm close :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:09:44] <muerr> Volcane: yeah, it "works ok" but we specifically need "supported by." | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:09:55] <Volcane> nods, figured :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:10:01] <muerr> which. is. retarded. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:10:35] <muerr> that was why rhel was required by my team at ibm, because customers needed vendor support (to point a finger at, probably). | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:10:40] <ashp> ahaha, welcome to my pain | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:10:47] <ashp> we're all in the 'forced to use rhel' club | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:11:04] <ashp> I had to use it for rhythmyx, possibly the WORST piece of java ever written | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:11:11] * Volcane likes it :P | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:11:20] <ashp> true fact: the guy who ran support for 8 years for percussion cannot get the server to bind on 443 | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:11:21] <Volcane> well i like centos | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:11:25] <ashp> because it runs as rhythmyx, not as root | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:11:29] <ashp> i should tell him about selinux, but.. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:11:41] <Volcane> i dont like bloody rhn | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:12:10] <muerr> i really like centos. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:12:13] <muerr> and i really like yum. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:12:29] <muerr> i have had a deep unreasonable loathing for rhel and rhn since it was created. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:12:51] <ashp> i miss apt :( | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:12:51] <Volcane> yeah its amazing how centos making yum work properly can make such a huge difference between rhel proper and it | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:12:51] <fujin> up2date | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:13:00] <muerr> AH - found the stupid hidden location to enable the stupid cluster suite channel entitlement for this server. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:13:21] <ashp> apt is the superior package handler! | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:13:27] <muerr> Volcane: i'm pleased that rhel 5 at least uses yum, and works with third party or even local yum repos. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:13:56] <ashp> I hate rpms because writing spec files is HORRIBLE | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:13:57] <muerr> wow. i'd hate to have to use this to manage extra entitlements for more than just two servers. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:14:01] <Volcane> yeah | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:14:01] <Volcane> i made yum work on rhel 4 recently | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:14:08] <muerr> yeah i just did that today. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:14:11] <ashp> I wonder if rpm 5 is any nicer, or whatever the new version is. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:14:11] <Volcane> made life much better | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:14:11] <Volcane> puppet+yum+rhel4 is pretty kewl | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:14:12] <muerr> and its retarded beyond belief. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:14:25] <ashp> Manually kludging together giant lists of files that are part of the package is horrible | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:14:31] <Volcane> ashp: i much prefer spec files over debs *shudder* | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:14:34] <ashp> Someone should write a REAL .spec generator that works properly | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:14:42] <muerr> we'll use yum for our custom packages, and up2date for all the "os" stuff. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:14:48] <ashp> Volcane: I like gentoo/freebsd ports systems for writing my own stuff, so much nicer | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:15:01] <Volcane> nods | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:15:06] <fujin> yeah, portage is nice | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:15:10] <fujin> ebuilds and whatnot. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:15:11] <muerr> finally. system-config-cluster 1.0.51 2.0.el4_6.2 noarch | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:15:21] <Volcane> well I've been using rh since the first beta | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:15:26] <fujin> blah! system-config-cluster is for girls! | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:15:31] <Volcane> so maybe I'm just more used to it | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:15:35] <muerr> fujin: required by zimbra. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:15:57] <fujin> oh that's poos. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:15:58] <muerr> and that was the first package off the top of my head i knew was in the RHCS channel :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:16:01] * Volcane 's yet to do any RH cluster stuff, dont have fence hardware to play with | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:16:10] <fujin> you'd be surprised, Volcane | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:16:11] <muerr> fujin: yeah worse yet, it doesn't actually *use* system-config-cluster. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:16:30] <muerr> I was pleased to find that Dell DRAC is supported by the fence daemon. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:16:39] <muerr> Since we're using... Dell DRAC. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:16:44] <muerr> They don't support our avocent PDUs | ||
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| [2008/06/04 19:17:01] <Volcane> i know u can now use xen dom0 for fencing i think which might be worth looking at | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:17:02] <Volcane> i can use my ibm kit for fencing ofcourse | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:17:10] <muerr> oh and i don't agree with the fencing idea of powering off systems completely if they fail. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:17:11] <Volcane> bu ti dont have dev ibm kit | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:17:26] <muerr> on VCS, those systems get "frozen" so you can't migrate resources to them | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:17:31] <fujin> I use APC bars here, but the systems I run on clusters have drac too | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:17:36] <fujin> have had better luck with the apc shit | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:17:57] <muerr> i don't like our avocent PDUs. their web interface is terrible. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:18:08] <muerr> you can create multiple users, but only one can be logged in at a time. O.o ? | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:18:26] <ashp> I haven't dared touch clustering. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:18:31] <Volcane> anyway, bed time | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:18:51] <Volcane> ashp: good luck :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:18:53] <muerr> ashp: Veritas, Sun and HACMP clustering have caused me many hours of overtime. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:19:13] <muerr> I imagine RHCS will be no different. :-\ | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:19:51] <muerr> Its come a long way since RHEL 2.1 AS's "I want to be a real cluster when I grow up" cluster. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:20:13] <ashp> Luckily weve just been able to load balance stuff and never 'cluster' anything | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:20:29] <fujin> rhcs is pretty | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:20:33] <fujin> prefer it to heartbeat anywho | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:20:54] <muerr> We've got heartbeat too... in fact, I've been working on our heartbeat module. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:21:12] <muerr> http://github.com/jtimberman/puppet/tree/master/heartbeat | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:21:13] <muerr> :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:21:21] <fujin> the hacks you have to do to get similar functionality out of heartbeat compared to RHCS | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:21:25] <fujin> make me cringe | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:21:39] <fujin> anyway I digrses | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:21:44] <fujin> ressss | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:21:45] <muerr> Yes. Having read through documentation and sample haresources, I do not look forward to it. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:21:54] <fujin> ;P | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:22:02] <muerr> :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:22:23] <muerr> Well, I don't know what to think of RHCS yet, I don't know how well it will be handled via Puppet. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:22:36] <fujin> mm | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:22:49] <fujin> handling it with Puppet doesn't really seem smart to me, especially with fencing and so on | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:23:18] <fujin> probably just not thinking about it correctly though | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:23:23] <muerr> Course, Zimbra installation for cluster environments has a special script that supposedly writes the cluster.conf file, so I think it'll just be "get the software installed" from Puppet. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:23:46] <muerr> Yeah. I wrote a bunch of notes about how to go about this a couple weeks ago. Then I had to set up a kickstart+puppet environment for rhel4. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:24:01] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Whos Using Puppet edited by huangmingyou @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/WhosUsingPuppet (by huangmingyou@gmail.com) | ||
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| [2008/06/04 19:34:45] <heydrick> is there a good way to regenerate puppetca's certs and stuff? | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:34:57] <heydrick> like wipe everything in /var/lib/puppet/ssl/ca and start fresh? | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:35:13] <shadoi> you just said it. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:35:42] <heydrick> ha, k I'll try that | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:36:02] <ashp> goddamn stupid kickstart, make a cert request :/ | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:38:57] <ashp> hmm, invalid environment bootstrap, i wonder if it even checked the server before erroring | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:39:58] <ashp> I don't have to list environments = etc,etc,etc in puppet.conf on CLIENTS, right? | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:40:55] <shadoi> nope | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:41:17] <ashp> Hmm, I wonder why it insists my bootstrap environment is invalid suddenly then | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:41:22] <muerr> spite | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:41:23] * muerr poof | ||
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| [2008/06/04 19:42:45] <ashp> It checks Puppet::Node::Environment.valid? | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:42:52] <ashp> Now to try and figure out if that checks serverside. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:44:50] <ashp> Turns out you need environments = in the client too. | ||
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| [2008/06/04 19:52:59] <ashp> I really must learn to use svn branches or move to git. | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:53:21] <fujin> git wins | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:53:29] <ashp> I now have about 6 module branches | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:53:44] <ashp> and currently I manage this by just cp'ing the files on top of other files when I want to update those branches | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:53:49] <ashp> because I don't use real svn branches :) | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:54:21] <ashp> I know it's the wrong thing to do, I just haven't had time to do the right thing yet | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:54:59] <ashp> I should be able to go into bootstrap and just check out the modules from development right into there, without lots of fuss | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:55:11] <shadoi> ashp: file that environments thing as a bug (even if it's just against the docs) | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:55:31] <ashp> It's probably a bug as it should really check against the server | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:55:40] <ashp> just like how it shouldn't override the servers default environment | ||
| [2008/06/04 19:56:28] <shadoi> yeah | ||
| [2008/06/04 20:08:29] <plathrop> gepetto: wiki:TypeReference | ||
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| [2008/06/04 20:31:29] <ashp> One day I will find a way to murder Bri |