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| [2008/05/25 01:13:03] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Whos Using Puppet edited by nottestuser @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/WhosUsingPuppet (by matt@badmatt.com) | ||
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| [2008/05/25 04:40:47] <hacim> stick: ping | ||
| [2008/05/25 04:41:41] <hacim> stick: you made a change to wiki:DeveloperRepositories to reference the RunningAgainstGit page in the wiki, but that page doesn't exist and I cannot find a suitable replacement | ||
| [2008/05/25 04:41:44] <gepetto> hacim: stick: wiki:DeveloperRepositories is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/DeveloperRepositories | ||
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| [2008/05/25 07:32:12] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Puppet Debian edited by micah @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/PuppetDebian (by micah@riseup.net) | ||
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| [2008/05/25 08:24:06] <holoway> jamesturnbull: diffs added inline | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:24:14] <holoway> and lak's requests about subject lines too | ||
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| [2008/05/25 08:27:33] <holoway> lak: diffs and subject lines fixed, so push away | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:27:41] <lak> awesome | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:27:43] <holoway> just dropped an email about it | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:27:53] <lak> now that i'm home, i should be doing commits | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:28:05] <lak> rather than just trying to hold back the tide of email :/ | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:28:13] <holoway> I stuck the author and repo in the from line | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:28:15] <holoway> which made more sense | ||
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| [2008/05/25 08:36:33] <lak> yeah | ||
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| [2008/05/25 08:36:52] <lak> are you doing anything to make it so a given commit isn't sent multiple times? | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:37:01] <holaway> lak: nope | ||
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| [2008/05/25 08:37:08] <lak> e.g., i commit, james merges and pushes to his repo | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:37:11] <holoway> right | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:37:12] <lak> that'd probably be a good idea | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:37:15] <holoway> maybe | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:37:19] <holoway> the thing is | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:37:24] <holoway> people might use that to track progress | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:37:30] <lak> true, you might want to know when the merge happens | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:37:37] <holoway> exactly | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:37:53] <holoway> if everyone gets -commits, you'll be able to see who is collaborating | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:37:56] <holoway> and how far up the chain it's gone | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:38:01] <holoway> which seems like it might be handy | ||
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| [2008/05/25 08:41:12] <ashp> lak, i just saw your reply | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:41:14] <ashp> by fail i mean | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:41:21] <ashp> I added a Package {} with require statements | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:41:28] <ashp> but it tries to add packages without paying attention to that | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:41:35] <ashp> (in site.pp) | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:41:45] <lak> holoway: sure, we can start with that, see how it goes | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:42:02] <ashp> I'll try an exec that prints something in 15 or so to see if I have any luck with that | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:42:07] <lak> ok | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:42:21] <lak> i'm not really working today, i'll be around more tomorrow and monday, i think | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:42:27] <lak> in fact, i'm heading away now | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:42:29] <holoway> lak: if it gets too spamy, we'll fix it up | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:42:29] <lak> ta ta | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:42:30] <holoway> see ya | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:42:30] <ashp> The notice and the Package{} in site.pp just seem to not work, however :O | ||
| [2008/05/25 08:42:32] <ashp> bye lak | ||
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| [2008/05/25 10:22:06] <jamesturnbull> holaway: excellent! thanks | ||
| [2008/05/25 10:59:01] <Ned_> is it possibly to do conditional "include" statements using facter variables ? | ||
| [2008/05/25 10:59:34] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: yes | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:00:07] <Ned_> jamesturnbull: do you know what bit of the wiki I could find the syntax for that on ? | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:00:18] <jamesturnbull> http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/LanguageTutorial#conditionals | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:00:24] <jamesturnbull> see the case example | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:00:29] <Ned_> ok, ta :-) | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:00:36] <jamesturnbull> it's exactly what you want | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:00:49] <Ned_> Hmmm, | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:00:58] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: or you could buy the excellent book that covers it | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:00:58] <Ned_> can you do numeric comparisons in conditionals ? | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:01:03] * Ned_ reads the rest of that page ... | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:01:03] <Ned_> :p | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:01:23] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: give me an example...? | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:01:45] <Ned_> if puppetversion < 0.24 do this | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:01:47] <Ned_> else do this | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:02:00] <Ned_> i.e. if it's less that 0.24 then just upgrade puppet | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:02:08] <Ned_> otherwise do normal stuff | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:02:08] <Ned_> :-) | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:02:42] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: sadly no | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:02:57] <Ned_> :-( | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:03:01] <Ned_> it seems like it'd be useful :p | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:03:40] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: conditionals do not allow gt/lt/= etc there is a ticket for it but it's probably only going to be done if a) Luke has time or b) Someone pays Luke or c) Someone pays me d) I have time | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:04:02] <Ned_> heh | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:04:16] <Ned_> or e) someone provides a good patch ? | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:04:51] <Ned_> it's awesome that we got puppetlast in actually ... I'm using that a bunch now :p | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:05:07] <jamesturnbull> or indeed e) | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:05:09] <jamesturnbull> Feel free | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:05:15] <Ned_> heh | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:05:20] <Ned_> I'll see how annoyed I get at this first | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:05:21] <Ned_> :p | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:06:14] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: As Luke says most of what you want can be done now with the current language | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:06:28] <Ned_> yeah, I think that's true ... I just need to grok it a little better :p | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:06:52] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: I suspect the release 0.26 will have a few language updates - after the REST stuff in 0.25 appears | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:07:06] <Ned_> Hmmm, I've only used 0.24 | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:07:20] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: 0.25 is not even a beta yet | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:07:27] <Ned_> oh, right, that'll be why :-) | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:07:27] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: probably in a month or so | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:07:31] <Ned_> cool | ||
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| [2008/05/25 11:12:49] <Ned_> jamesturnbull: have you ever seen package ensure => latest just not upgrade a package ? | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:14:27] <Ned_> actually, I think it's an OS specific thing ... or something in the Debian package provider | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:14:30] <Ned_> (rather than something in puppet) | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:14:35] * Ned_ invesigates further | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:15:55] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: I've seen it on Yum | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:16:03] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: never on apt | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:16:22] <Ned_> Hmmm, | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:16:27] <Ned_> if I do an apt-get upgrade -s | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:16:32] <Ned_> is "holding back" the package in question | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:16:39] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: ah | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:16:48] <Ned_> so I figure that's the problem | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:16:56] <Ned_> puppet doesn't wanna "break" stuff | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:17:05] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: not sure what the behaviour of puppet will be in that circumstance but assume it'll honour that | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:17:15] <Ned_> do you know why apt "holds back" a package ? | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:18:11] <shadoi> Ned_: because it would break the dependency of a different installed package | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:18:30] <Ned_> shadoi: right, what's the easiest way to "see" that ? | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:18:36] <Ned_> like see what would break ? | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:18:40] <Ned_> just apt-get install <package> -s ? | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:18:44] <shadoi> apt-get -u upgrade <package> | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:18:50] <shadoi> should show you what will be installed/removed | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:18:55] <shadoi> or you can do a dry run | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:19:12] <shadoi> -s or --dry-run | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:19:25] <Ned_> yeah, that's what I was thinking | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:19:34] <Ned_> upgrade <package> still just says it's being held back | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:19:37] <Ned_> I guess I'd do dist-upgrade | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:20:11] <Ned_> okay, so if I explicitly say "install", the only extra thing is that it pulls in one more dependancy | ||
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| [2008/05/25 11:31:36] <Ned_> jamesturnbull: okay, now I've got it to the point where apt-get upgrade _would_ upgrade puppet | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:31:44] <Ned_> but puppet still won't do ti :-( | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:31:45] <Ned_> err, it | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:44:11] <Ned_> do any providers have options specific to them ? | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:44:27] <Ned_> i.e. would there be an option in the apt or aptitude provider to tell it to override the holdback thing ? | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:48:23] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: ah no | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:48:48] <Ned_> okay, I guess I'll put some more debugging into the apt provider to see if I can work out why it's not upgrading my package ... | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:49:54] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: Puppet generally honours the providers desire not to do something if the packaging tool says not to | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:50:44] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: the commands used to do things are generally "hard coded"-ish as you can see if you have a look at the provider code | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:50:58] <Ned_> yeah ... | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:51:04] <Ned_> I'm poking around in the apt provider now | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:51:22] <Ned_> I might add a few more debug lines to see if I can figure out exactly why it's not working though | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:51:31] <Ned_> because at the moment apt-get upgrade _would_ upgrade puppet | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:51:34] <Ned_> but puppet still won't | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:51:35] <Ned_> :-( | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:53:10] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: odd - be interested to see the result of that debugging | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:58:38] <Ned_> crap, I accidently upgraded it :( | ||
| [2008/05/25 11:58:50] <Ned_> it looked like the bit of code that "finds" the latest version was returning the wrong thing ... | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:01:15] <Ned_> jamesturnbull: I have to go out now, but I will dig a little more when I get back :-) | ||
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| [2008/05/25 12:01:38] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: great | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:01:48] <Ned_> I _think_ it might be bug where it assumes only 1 installation candidate for a single package | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:02:08] <Ned_> whereas if you have multiple apt sources providing the same package (i.e. stable and unstable) then there's more than one | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:02:15] <Ned_> and it has to pick the first rather than the last | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:02:21] <Ned_> but yeah, that's just my "guess" at the moment | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:02:22] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: hmmms depends on the packaging system | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:02:33] <Ned_> jamesturnbull: yeah, this is just the apt provider | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:02:35] <Ned_> I'm looking at | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:03:11] <jamesturnbull> yeah - not primarily being a Debian person I am not sure - I'll take a peek at the code too | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:03:17] <Ned_> :-) | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:03:24] <Ned_> I'll be back later this evening (NZ time) | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:04:07] <Ned_> actually, important disclaimer | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:04:23] <Ned_> I was looking at 0.20.1 code (because that was what was installed), and I wanted it to upgrade to 0.24.4 | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:04:33] <Ned_> so it's possible that if it is a bug, it's been fixed already | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:07:39] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: more than possible - 0.20.1 was a long while ago | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:09:37] <Ned_> :-) | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:09:45] <Ned_> as I say, I'll check it all out later on when I get home :-) | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:09:51] <Ned_> 0.20.1 is etch standard :-( | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:15:34] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: wiki:UsingDebianTesting | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:16:40] <jamesturnbull> Ned_: wiki:DebianTestingPackages | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:16:41] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: Ned_: wiki:DebianTestingPackages is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/DebianTestingPackages | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:23:09] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Puppet Debian edited by jamtur01 @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/PuppetDebian (by james@lovedthanlost.net) | ||
| [2008/05/25 12:26:12] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Puppet Debian edited by jamtur01 @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/PuppetDebian (by james@lovedthanlost.net) | ||
| [2008/05/25 14:41:21] <jamesturnbull> thom: hacim I moved the DebianTestingPackages page content into PuppetDebian - it seemed to fit better in there rather than a seperate page. Just an FYI | ||
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| [2008/05/25 15:22:47] <gepetto> ::puppet:: Development Lifecycle edited by jamtur01 @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/DevelopmentLifecycle (by james@lovedthanlost.net) | ||
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| [2008/05/25 17:45:12] <fujin> evening | ||
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| [2008/05/25 18:19:28] <jamesturnbull> fujin: evening | ||
| [2008/05/25 18:20:19] <thom> jamesturnbull: ok, thanks. seems sensible | ||
| [2008/05/25 18:21:17] <jamesturnbull> thom: seemed overkill to have two pages | ||
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| [2008/05/25 21:05:32] <fujin> it'd be cool if someone could update wiki:BootstrapingWithPuppet with debian debian-specific backporting instructions (if applicable) | ||
| [2008/05/25 21:05:42] <fujin> I gave instructions on how to do it with Ubuntu, not sure on the process for debian | ||
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| [2008/05/25 22:04:29] <jamesturnbull> wiki:BootstrappingWithPuppet | ||
| [2008/05/25 22:04:32] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: wiki: wiki:BootstrappingWithPuppet is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/BootstrappingWithPuppet | ||
| [2008/05/25 22:05:48] <jamesturnbull> fujin: is it different? | ||
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| [2008/05/25 22:25:29] <Pyretic> hi, i'm checking if a service is disabled (auditd), however puppet still sees it as running since it's doing a ps -ef and sees [kauditd] | ||
| [2008/05/25 22:26:05] <Pyretic> anyone know if that check can be changed to an exact match ? | ||
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| [2008/05/25 22:46:07] <jamesturnbull> Pyretic: wiki:TypeReference#service | ||
| [2008/05/25 22:46:27] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: Pyretic: wiki:TypeReference#service is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/TypeReference#service | ||
| [2008/05/25 22:46:54] <jamesturnbull> Pyretic: maybe pattern - I don't quite understand what you're asking but think that might help | ||
| [2008/05/25 22:47:44] <|vadim|> Hi. How can i create directories with puppet? for example i want to create /mnt/1 | ||
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| [2008/05/25 23:07:52] <fujin> |vadim|: wiki:TypeReference | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:08:13] <gepetto> fujin: |vadim|: wiki:TypeReference is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/TypeReference | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:08:27] <fujin> but file { [ "/mnt/", "/mnt/1" ]: ensure => present } will do it for a start | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:08:46] <fujin> jamesturnbull: I don't think Debian has prevu | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:09:04] <|vadim|> fujin: thanks | ||
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| [2008/05/25 23:15:04] <Av> hey guys i have a question :) Is it possible to make pupper copy a different file based on what the current hostname is? | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:16:06] <Av> my machines are a mix of operating systems and they need different (eg) startup scripts for the same daemon, or they need a different /etc/sudoers file because they serve a different role | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:16:31] <Av> woudl be great if I could say "if hostname == foo, get this list of files.." | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:16:51] <fujin> source => "puppet:///mount/file.$fqdn" | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:17:34] <fujin> I quite commonly use source => $operatingsystem ? { "linux" => "puppet:///linux/blah.conf", "other" => "puppet:///other/blah", }, | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:17:44] <fujin> a selector | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:17:50] <fujin> is the concise way to do it, and provide a default | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:18:06] <fujin> but you can be lazy and just chuck $fqdn or $operatingsystem in your source => string for the same effect | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:18:07] <Av> oh excellent! thank you :) | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:18:10] <Av> lol | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:19:02] <Av> $fqdn would probably be better here otherwise the selector logic will get a bit complicated i think :) | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:19:19] <Av> if have to account for both OS *and* machine function which is a bitch because everything is just all over the place | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:19:27] <Av> thanks fujin :) | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:19:28] <fujin> haha. | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:19:31] <fujin> no prob | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:19:46] <Av> yeah it's what happens when you come into a thing you didnt' get to set up right from the start ;) | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:34:30] <jamesturnbull> Av: wiki:LanguageTutorial and there is a book I wrote also that might help | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:34:35] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: Av: wiki:LanguageTutorial is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/LanguageTutorial | ||
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| [2008/05/25 23:55:52] <Av> thanks jamesturnbull :) | ||
| [2008/05/25 23:56:22] <Av> now, if i'd just read that an hour ago, i would have answered my next question too. thanks :) |
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