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| [2008/05/18 04:11:28] <hacim> is there any way to get the clients to try again later if they fail to connect? | ||
| [2008/05/18 04:11:44] <hacim> whenever I restart my puppetmaster, the clients that are checking in while its down complain loudly | ||
| [2008/05/18 04:12:08] <hacim> they do check in again later, of course | ||
| [2008/05/18 04:12:44] <hacim> its just the cached configs run and can't connect to the fileserver of course | ||
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| [2008/05/18 08:40:08] <Laos18549> Hello all. I've been lurking around just to see what was transpiring and it turns out that I have a question. I've read the posting on the Reductive Labs site regarding Puppet vs. OpsWare, etc... but, if possible, I need to know particulars as to why people think Puppet is better for them than OpsWare *besides cost*. | ||
| [2008/05/18 08:40:29] <Laos18549> Oh, also besides Open Source, unless that has helped in a real world situation. | ||
| [2008/05/18 08:40:55] <Laos18549> Understand though, that the people asking for the 'besides cost' exception don't currently know how much OpsWare will cost them. | ||
| [2008/05/18 08:41:12] <Laos18549> If you've used OpsWare that would be a bonus. | ||
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| [2008/05/18 08:47:13] <plathrop> Laos18549: Sorry, never used OpsWare. We chose Puppet because in our experience closed source companies are unable to provide the level of support and prompt attention to bugfixes that we need. | ||
| [2008/05/18 08:47:31] <plathrop> So, I can't help, really. Open Source is our reason, and we think it's a good one. | ||
| [2008/05/18 08:49:03] <Laos18549> plathrop: I personally think that it's a good one as well. Unfortunately, the powers that be aren't totally convinced. Thanks for the input though. | ||
| [2008/05/18 08:49:37] <plathrop> Laos18549: That sucks. You can always through buzzwords around. | ||
| [2008/05/18 08:50:10] <plathrop> Puppet scales horizontally, uses end-to-end encryption, etc. :-) | ||
| [2008/05/18 08:50:34] <Laos18549> plathrop: I try not to do that and try to hold on to technical merit. If I can put down a comparison chart of some kind, it would probably be the most helpful. | ||
| [2008/05/18 08:51:00] <Laos18549> I.e. you mention end-to-end encryption. Does OpsWare (do|not do) that? How strong is it? I just don't know. | ||
| [2008/05/18 08:52:01] <plathrop> Laos18549: Yeah, I can't be much help there. | ||
| [2008/05/18 08:59:00] <shadoi> Laos18549: as the wiki says, it's not a very valid comparison. OpsWare and BladeLogic are GUI apps, puppet is a framework. | ||
| [2008/05/18 09:00:02] <shadoi> DIY kit vs. Black Box | ||
| [2008/05/18 09:02:54] <shadoi> and they don't _have_ to be exclusive, you could use puppet to fill in the gaps in a commercial product. | ||
| [2008/05/18 09:03:17] <shadoi> personally I think you'd end up throwing opsware out after you started working with puppet. | ||
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| [2008/05/18 10:23:13] <Laos18549> Well, thanks to shadoi in retrospect. Unfortunately, I got pulled away for a bit. | ||
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| [2008/05/18 11:33:32] <nDuff> does "check" have special meaning to puppet? I'm trying to use it as a parameter name for one of my defines, but puppet is indicating that the string I pass "is not a valid attribute for check". | ||
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| [2008/05/18 17:34:52] <womble> Does anyone know anywhere I can download the Puppet logo at a sensible size for a presentation? | ||
| [2008/05/18 18:07:11] <jamesturnbull> womble: maybe from one of the wiki:PuppetPresentations | ||
| [2008/05/18 18:07:13] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: womble: wiki:PuppetPresentations is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/PuppetPresentations | ||
| [2008/05/18 18:07:29] <jamesturnbull> womble: are you presenting on puppet on tuesday at cebit? | ||
| [2008/05/18 18:07:42] <jamesturnbull> womble: because if you are so am i ... :) | ||
| [2008/05/18 18:07:59] <womble> jamesturnbull: Well, mentioning it. | ||
| [2008/05/18 18:08:10] <womble> jamesturnbull: Which conf are you presenting at? | ||
| [2008/05/18 18:08:35] <jamesturnbull> Builder AU | ||
| [2008/05/18 18:08:43] <womble> jamesturnbull: Aaah, I'm at OpenCeBIT. | ||
| [2008/05/18 18:09:04] <womble> jamesturnbull: Do I have to rip a logo out of one of those presos? That's not going to be a lot of fun. | ||
| [2008/05/18 18:09:18] <jamesturnbull> giving a lightning talk on Puppet and sitting on a panel with Rusty Russel and Stewart Smith - Jeff Waugh is in there somewhere | ||
| [2008/05/18 18:09:34] <jamesturnbull> womble: um Luke would have collateral I ssume | ||
| [2008/05/18 18:11:38] <jamesturnbull> womble: otherwise the best one seems to be the puppet logo on the website masthead | ||
| [2008/05/18 18:12:12] <womble> jamesturnbull: A postage-stamp logo is unlikely to look real hot on a slide. <grin> | ||
| [2008/05/18 18:12:21] <jamesturnbull> womble: http://reductivelabs.com/images/ | ||
| [2008/05/18 18:12:42] <jamesturnbull> womble: yeah :) | ||
| [2008/05/18 18:13:12] <womble> There's some decent-sized images. Now to find a logo in there... | ||
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