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| [2008/04/21 00:31:07] <jamesturnbull> eeyore: there is a script in ticket #1188 that should help | ||
| [2008/04/21 00:31:09] <gepetto_> jamesturnbull: eeyore: #1188 is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/ticket/1188 "'puppetwhen' - list when puppet was last successfully run for each node" | ||
| [2008/04/21 00:31:29] <eeyore> Thanks, it's not urgent just wondering. | ||
| [2008/04/21 00:31:54] <jamesturnbull> eeyore: you could easily mod that to return all clients with signed certs or the like | ||
| [2008/04/21 00:32:51] <jamesturnbull> eeyore: also have a look at puppetca - puppetca --list --all should list all signed clients I think | ||
| [2008/04/21 00:33:02] <eeyore> arr okay thanks | ||
| [2008/04/21 00:34:09] <jamesturnbull> Pockets_: should help you out also :) | ||
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| [2008/04/21 00:34:43] <Pockets_> Ahh excelent, thank you jamesturnbull, much appreciated! | ||
| [2008/04/21 00:35:24] <Pockets_> That should come in handy :) | ||
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| [2008/04/21 00:36:30] <jamesturnbull> alright night all - way past sleep time on a sunday night | ||
| [2008/04/21 00:41:55] <eeyore> thanks james. | ||
| [2008/04/21 00:41:56] <eeyore> nn | ||
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| [2008/04/21 07:23:09] <fujin> morning chaps | ||
| [2008/04/21 07:23:38] <jamesturnbull> fujin: morning | ||
| [2008/04/21 07:26:57] <fujin> How's it going dude? | ||
| [2008/04/21 07:29:43] <fujin> jesus christ | ||
| [2008/04/21 07:29:51] <fujin> check out all of lak's SSL changes | ||
| [2008/04/21 07:29:52] * fujin boggles | ||
| [2008/04/21 07:30:00] <fujin> the dude went on a freakin coding rampage | ||
| [2008/04/21 07:33:32] <waawaamilk> my god... the bodies... | ||
| [2008/04/21 07:37:40] <jamesturnbull> fujin: yeah - it's a great crapload of stuff | ||
| [2008/04/21 07:37:52] <jamesturnbull> fujin: that puppetlast thing when into 0.24.x too | ||
| [2008/04/21 07:38:16] <jamesturnbull> fujin: already made some newcomers happy last night on the channel | ||
| [2008/04/21 07:38:38] <fujin> heh | ||
| [2008/04/21 07:38:40] <fujin> awesome dude | ||
| [2008/04/21 07:39:33] <fujin> That's my first *real* Ruby attempt hehe | ||
| [2008/04/21 07:39:37] <fujin> short of typo fixes | ||
| [2008/04/21 07:39:38] <fujin> lol | ||
| [2008/04/21 07:43:27] <jamesturnbull> fujin: enhancements always welcome | ||
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| [2008/04/21 08:12:21] <e^ipi> when a puppet howto points me at definitions/basic.pp , it's referring to /etc/puppet/manifests/definitions/basic.pp ? | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:12:27] <e^ipi> or is there another place for this sort of thing? | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:13:30] <fujin> uh? | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:13:33] <fujin> definitions/basic.pp? | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:13:49] <waawaamilk> e^ipi: that's generally what it means, unless the file doing that is in a subdirectory already | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:13:57] <e^ipi> okie, thx | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:13:58] <waawaamilk> (a subdirectory of /etc/puppet/manifests, that is) | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:14:02] <fujin> e^ipi: it doesn't really matter where you place it, as long as it is imported | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:14:09] <fujin> (import definitions/*.pp in site.pp) | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:14:18] <fujin> so on, so forth; | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:14:23] <e^ipi> *nod* | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:14:26] <e^ipi> cool | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:23:40] * fujin whistles | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:23:42] * fujin watches tumbleweeds | ||
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| [2008/04/21 08:30:55] <mwr> From the list of OSes on wiki's StablePlatforms, would I be right in condensing it for a presentation down to "best support for Linux, Solaris, and OS X; decent support for BSD, AIX, and other Unixes"? | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:33:04] <jamesturnbull> mwr: I'd say equal support for both BSD, Solaris, Linux and OSX with lesser support for AIX and HP UX | ||
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| [2008/04/21 08:34:08] <mwr> righto. | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:38:12] * fujin throws a Linux disk at mwr | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:38:25] <mwr> ? | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:38:33] <fujin> heh, I unloaded a stack of cdroms ninja style at a colleague earlier the other day. It was awesome. | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:38:37] <fujin> I made ninja noises 'n everything. | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:38:57] <mwr> ok. I've kind of given up on disks in favor of PXE, though. | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:38:59] <fujin> oh, nothing. | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:39:29] <waawaamilk> ninjas don't make a sound | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:39:30] <waawaamilk> you just die | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:48:37] <fujin> ok | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:48:40] <fujin> I made bruce-lee noises | ||
| [2008/04/21 08:48:41] <fujin> :\ | ||
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| [2008/04/21 09:04:04] <mwr> jamesturnbull: did I hassle you yesterday about a presentation I'm making in a couple days? | ||
| [2008/04/21 09:05:45] <mwr> http://preview.tinyurl.com/4zsmrt has what I think are the final handouts. | ||
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| [2008/04/21 10:13:40] <jamesturnbull> mwr: you did and I take a look when I make it into the office. | ||
| [2008/04/21 10:14:22] <mwr> no problem. will probably be around for a while. no major changes since yesterday. | ||
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| [2008/04/21 11:15:19] <fujin> ho-hum | ||
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| [2008/04/21 11:15:24] * fujin just wrote a RANCID replacement | ||
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| [2008/04/21 11:25:45] <Darkarnium_> Why fujin? :P | ||
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| [2008/04/21 11:26:49] <fujin> Becaues it's shit and uses CVS. | ||
| [2008/04/21 11:26:54] <fujin> 50 lines of perl, Git. Done. | ||
| [2008/04/21 11:27:22] <fujin> I'm a SCMist | ||
| [2008/04/21 11:27:38] <waawaamilk> hehe | ||
| [2008/04/21 11:27:45] <waawaamilk> I was reading the CVS wikipedia page the other day | ||
| [2008/04/21 11:27:57] <waawaamilk> apparently all the limitations are carefully considered design decisions | ||
| [2008/04/21 11:28:30] <fujin> haha. | ||
| [2008/04/21 11:28:33] <fujin> That's pretty lol | ||
| [2008/04/21 11:28:45] <jamesturnbull> mwr: looks good | ||
| [2008/04/21 11:29:14] <jamesturnbull> mwr: I'd want to hear it :) | ||
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| [2008/04/21 12:50:00] <mwr> jamesturnbull: cool. I'll post them somewhere more permanent after Tuesday. | ||
| [2008/04/21 12:58:21] <jamesturnbull> mwr: there is a wiki page for presentations | ||
| [2008/04/21 12:58:28] <jamesturnbull> mwr: I'd add it there too | ||
| [2008/04/21 12:59:06] <mwr> will do | ||
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| [2008/04/21 14:33:30] <e^ipi> despite the fact that it's not sane & quite silly, is it possible for a puppetmaster and a client to be the same machine? | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:33:43] <waawaamilk> yes | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:33:47] <waawaamilk> and that's not that insane | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:34:24] <e^ipi> okie... no idea why this isn't working then | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:34:32] <e^ipi> blaming ubuntu is the easy way out | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:34:42] * waawaamilk prefers to blame ubuntu for everything possible | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:34:48] <waawaamilk> get debian! :p | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:36:21] <e^ipi> if i were in charge of the OS of this machine it wouldn't even have linux on it | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:36:28] <e^ipi> i'd nuke it in favour for solaris in a heartbeat | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:36:36] <waawaamilk> hehe | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:36:42] <waawaamilk> donal, is that you? | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:36:49] <e^ipi> who? | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:36:52] <waawaamilk> heh | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:36:55] <waawaamilk> a guy I used to work with | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:37:00] <waawaamilk> always with the solaris love he was | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:37:31] <e^ipi> yeah, people who've used it enough to get familliar with how it works tend to be in love with it ;) | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:38:25] <waawaamilk> I used it once or twice when the userland wasn't gnu and ended up thinking it was crap | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:38:37] <waawaamilk> I'm sure it's better now | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:39:03] <waawaamilk> that was back when killall [name] didn't kill all process with [name] - it killed every process! | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:39:59] <pietros> hahaha | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:40:05] <e^ipi> yes, hence the name | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:40:09] <e^ipi> the manual page is quite clear on this | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:40:22] <waawaamilk> heh | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:40:31] <waawaamilk> what a ... useful ... operation to want to do :D | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:40:54] <e^ipi> it is if you happen to be init(1) | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:41:28] <nevyn> solaris ends up just annoying me | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:41:43] <waawaamilk> I'm sure we could end up arguing for hours about how crap the userland _was_, but it's better now I guess | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:41:48] <e^ipi> that's how i feel about linux | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:41:51] <nevyn> solaris + blastwave is vaguely passable | ||
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| [2008/04/21 14:42:13] <e^ipi> regardless, you choose what works best for you and i'll do the same :) | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:42:57] <nevyn> and pkg_add and friends need to die which seems to be happening with project indigo | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:43:05] <nevyn> or indiana or whatever it's called. | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:43:10] <fujin> waawaamilk: seen Nexenta? | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:43:13] <fujin> OpenSolaris + Ubuntu userland | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:43:20] <fujin> I've not run it yet, but it's got all the goodies | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:43:24] <waawaamilk> ubuntu is spawn of satan | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:43:24] <fujin> ZFS, dtrace | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:43:27] <fujin> oh sif | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:43:40] <fujin> does the trick with less ghey | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:43:45] <fujin> hey, it doesn't ship with exim | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:43:49] <fujin> therefore, its' better | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:44:23] * fujin argues | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:44:25] <fujin> VIm! | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:44:30] <waawaamilk> I install from businesscard cds | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:44:42] <waawaamilk> so I can choose what I install ;) | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:44:48] * waawaamilk is with fujin on the vim thing | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:44:53] <e^ipi> fujin: indiana is probably a better bet than nexenta | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:44:53] <fujin> even the netinstall disk of deb installs exim i thought? | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:45:07] <fujin> e^ipi: Debian based aswell? | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:45:12] <waawaamilk> fujin: nope... | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:45:17] <fujin> ah yep | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:45:30] <fujin> waawaamilk: I dunno why maxnet picked ubuntu either, I adapted | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:45:36] <e^ipi> no, it's got it's own package management system that takes advantage of a bunch of solaris features | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:45:36] <fujin> I learnt everything on Gentoo | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:46:07] <e^ipi> eg, auto-snapshot the ZFS volume when you install a package so if it breaks, you can rollback | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:46:25] <pietros> coolio | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:46:58] <fujin> heh | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:46:58] <fujin> cool | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:47:10] <fujin> Wouldn't that require a silly amoutn of disk? | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:47:12] * fujin not familiar with ZFS | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:47:15] <e^ipi> nope | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:47:24] <e^ipi> ZFS stores atomic deltas | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:47:37] <e^ipi> if you don't delete or overwrite anything, it doesn't take up space | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:48:02] <e^ipi> it works that instead of deallocating deleted blocks if it's been snapshotted, it just keeps them around in a data structure | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:48:15] <e^ipi> writes the changes somewhere else | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:48:26] <fujin> oh yeah, cool | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:48:30] <fujin> ZFS looks like proper gangsta shit | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:48:35] <e^ipi> lol | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:48:40] <fujin> that's really what got me interested in Nexenta | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:48:44] <fujin> well, dtrace too | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:48:46] <fujin> <3 dtrace | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:48:49] <pietros> my insane dream of having / on git is way cooler :) | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:49:11] <e^ipi> yeah, dtrace is really neat as well | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:49:19] <fujin> pietros: seen etckeeper? | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:49:55] <fujin> That's the beginning ;) | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:49:59] <pietros> fujin: no | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:50:09] <waawaamilk> pietros: I'm sure it's been done with fuse... gitfs surely :) | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:50:20] <fujin> http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/etckeeper/ | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:50:26] <fujin> tckeeper is a collection of tools to let /etc be stored in a git, mercurial, or bzr repository. It hooks into apt (and other package managers) to automatically commit changes made to /etc during package upgrades. | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:54:49] <nevyn> dtrace is awesome | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:55:13] <nevyn> ZFS is kinda neat but not all that. | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:55:18] <nevyn> in that it's new | ||
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| [2008/04/21 14:55:21] <pietros> i was really hoping sun would choose gplv3 | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:55:25] <nevyn> and new filesystems are scary | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:55:33] * nevyn likes XFS | ||
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| [2008/04/21 14:59:18] <e^ipi> gotta say, not a fan of the GPL | ||
| [2008/04/21 14:59:34] <e^ipi> I like that they went with an apache license... keep the code free without forcing other people to choose your license too | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:00:32] <e^ipi> also makes it more attractive for hardware mfrs. to write drivers | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:00:43] <e^ipi> some things make sense to GPL... kernels aren't one of 'em IMO | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:01:14] <waawaamilk> meh.. there's open hardware now | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:01:23] <waawaamilk> and open drivers for them | ||
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| [2008/04/21 15:01:58] <pietros> i'm a gpl fan and i knew sun wouldn't choose it. but i hoped it would | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:02:40] @ Quit: \ask: | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:03:17] <nevyn> e^ipi: depends on your purpose. | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:03:34] <nevyn> if your intention is to become the standard then bsd is the go. | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:03:53] <e^ipi> BSD makes sense when you want your protocol to be a standard, yeah | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:03:54] <nevyn> if you want to build a shared common implementation then gpl | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:04:08] <nevyn> ie: samba | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:04:30] <nevyn> or if you have substancial value that you don't want made proprietary | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:04:33] <nevyn> libreadline | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:04:48] <e^ipi> i see an apache/mit/mozilla license as ideal for that | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:04:55] <nevyn> e^ipi: gpl is attractive for vendors with significant value. | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:05:00] <nevyn> look at SGI and XFS | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:05:31] <e^ipi> if they had apache/cddl/mit'd it, it might be more widespread though | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:05:38] <nevyn> there was no way they were going to provide xfs under a licence that their primary compeditor could benifit from | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:05:44] <e^ipi> it could be a shared filesystem between OSX, freebsd, linux, irix, solaris... the works | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:05:55] <e^ipi> but since they GPL'ed it... it's linux & irix only | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:05:58] <nevyn> yep. | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:06:31] <e^ipi> meanwhile, ZFS is in osx, it's in freebsd, solaris... linux is left out in the cold though, because of a license that doesn't permit mixing with other free software licenses | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:06:31] <nevyn> but SGI didn't want to give it to their compeditors. that'd be dumb. | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:07:01] <e^ipi> irix was all but abandoned well before they handed XFS over | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:07:03] <nevyn> I'm not convinced ZFS is so hot seriously. | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:07:13] <waawaamilk> meh, so we miss out on zfs | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:07:16] <nevyn> e^ipi: *smile* | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:07:21] <waawaamilk> bsd people miss out on a whole bunch of other stuff | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:07:32] <waawaamilk> both sides miss out for some things | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:07:39] <waawaamilk> it's just the nature of the licenses | ||
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| [2008/04/21 15:07:57] <e^ipi> *shrug* yep | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:08:22] <e^ipi> just saying... not a fan of the strong viral clause in the GPL | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:09:33] <waawaamilk> for every one of you there is one on the other side who isn't a fan of writing code only to have some company take it and use it without contributing back their changes (if the distribute them) | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:09:37] <e^ipi> i like how the apache class of licenses restrict the viral clause to the file they're applied on | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:09:44] <waawaamilk> never ending argument :) | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:10:07] <e^ipi> the code & any changes need to remain free, but the rest of the app that links in to it doesn't | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:12:58] <f3ew> yup | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:13:15] <f3ew> It's a question of who benefits, the community or the next developer | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:13:27] <e^ipi> there are also ways around the GPL's restrictions ( nvidia's lgpl shim, intentionally obsfucating the code you distribute ( C-> brainfuck compiler ) ) | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:13:51] <e^ipi> so it's pretty toothless to enforce the strong viral clause | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:13:53] <nevyn> the second one is definitly not legal | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:13:59] <nevyn> ie compliant | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:14:15] <nevyn> in that the gpl specifies the source code as the original human edited stuff. | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:14:37] <waawaamilk> .. and why would you want to anyway? | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:14:44] <nevyn> and the nvidia thing is .. dubious | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:14:46] <waawaamilk> the legal clause definitely isn't toothless | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:15:20] <nevyn> the fact that no gpl enforcement case has gotten as far as court is an indiction of it's strength | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:15:32] <waawaamilk> what? | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:15:41] <waawaamilk> busybox has gone to court several times | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:15:44] <e^ipi> they've gone to court and won before | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:15:59] <e^ipi> it's these strange edge cases that nobody can tell | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:16:13] <waawaamilk> I'm not sure if anyone has ever lost a case where they went to court over a gpl violation | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:16:37] <waawaamilk> I've certainly told people they couldn't use software I'd written without respecting the license, and they have obliged | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:17:19] <waawaamilk> I even caught someone using it without making their changes available once, sent them a nice e-mail and after some to-ing and fro-ing they agreed to stop using it | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:17:32] <e^ipi> obvious cases are boring though... they're obviously in violation of the license | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:17:46] <e^ipi> i'm more interested in the times that they may or may not be ( eg nvidia ) | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:18:18] <waawaamilk> they're complying I imagine, otherwise they'd have been taken to court | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:19:43] <e^ipi> i wonder if lGPL can link to CDDL | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:20:09] <pietros> e^ipi: why wouldn't it? | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:20:29] <e^ipi> if so... FSKS might be a possibility ( like the opposite of FUSE ), in order that BSD & solaris can borrow drivers | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:21:24] <e^ipi> mind you, i don't think linux is that strict about driver interfaces, so it might be harder than porting a driver /to/ linux | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:21:32] <pietros> you probably can't mix gpl and ccdl, but surelly lgpl and ccdl | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:21:47] <e^ipi> right, and then link the GPL stuff in to the lGPL layer | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:22:15] <e^ipi> murayama tried something like that... he just ported the linux drivers to solaris | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:22:25] <e^ipi> wasn't distributing non-GPL code, so he wasn't in violation | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:22:48] @ Quit: pdt: | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:22:50] <e^ipi> but he couldn't putback, since that would place sun as a violator of the GPL | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:24:36] <e^ipi> err, sorry.. s/putback/commit | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:24:46] <e^ipi> different terminology for every project... :-/ | ||
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| [2008/04/21 15:29:12] <pietros> e^ipi: i dont get why it would make sun vilate the gpl | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:31:45] <e^ipi> distributing GPL code that links in to non-gpl code | ||
| [2008/04/21 15:32:16] <e^ipi> murayama didn't make any sort of shim layer, he just ported the linux drivers to solaris , and distributes them as GPL | ||
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| [2008/04/21 16:49:29] <msf> is there anything other than generate that allows me to execute commands on the puppetmaster ? | ||
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| [2008/04/21 17:03:53] <fujin> msf: generate is for external commands on the master, you can use facts to achieve a similar purpose on clients | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:03:55] <shadoi> e^ipi: nexenta has the auto-snapshot bit with full APT integration, it's sweet. | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:03:59] <fujin> nothing alternative to generate anywho. | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:04:04] <fujin> shadoi: heh, really? | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:04:05] <fujin> that's aweosme | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:04:22] <shadoi> and they integrated zones + debootstrap | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:04:31] <shadoi> I really hope the project gets some more support | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:04:43] <shadoi> so far it's almost nirvana | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:04:47] <fujin> lol | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:04:54] <fujin> do they use the standard Ubuntu repositories? | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:05:03] <shadoi> no of course not | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:05:18] <fujin> hmm | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:05:20] <shadoi> it IS a different kernel after all. :) | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:05:33] <fujin> yeah, but that'd only affect kernel module packages or kernel images | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:05:37] <fujin> (I guess) | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:05:42] <shadoi> no, any binaries | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:05:45] <fujin> really? | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:05:47] <shadoi> it's a totally different platform | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:06:11] <fujin> hrmh | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:06:39] <shadoi> I think there was some native linux binary compatibility environment you could run things in | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:06:42] <shadoi> but I'm not certain | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:06:58] <shadoi> maybe that was just SCO. :) | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:08:31] <shadoi> fujin: if there were binary compatibility for stuff like that you'd see full OS X + Ubuntu integration and such | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:08:45] <shadoi> it's very non-trivial | ||
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| [2008/04/21 17:09:44] <e^ipi> no, there's brandz | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:09:56] <e^ipi> it works mostly | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:10:12] <e^ipi> but you're limited to linux distros that could use a 2.4 kernel | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:10:23] <e^ipi> so, DSL & old stuff | ||
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| [2008/04/21 17:15:19] <fujin> fucking hell | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:15:25] <fujin> my pocketpc just stopped getting signal | ||
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| [2008/04/21 17:22:51] <duritong> anybody seen this with running 4 puppetmaster instances: https://durito.cronopios.org/puppet-memory-week.png ? | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:23:30] <fujin> what, epic memory usage? | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:23:35] <fujin> yeah, it's been an issue for a while | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:23:53] <fujin> I crontabbedly restart my masters every 6 hours | ||
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| [2008/04/21 17:24:08] <duritong> I had this too due to the file corruption issue | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:24:17] <fujin> well file corruption is fixed | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:24:23] <fujin> memory leaking is different kettle of fish | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:24:24] <duritong> but with this now gone I thought I might remove the cron | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:24:29] <duritong> yeah for sure | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:24:30] <fujin> hehe | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:24:33] <fujin> I did the same initially | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:24:41] <fujin> and then my master started killing all processes out of ram :> | ||
| [2008/04/21 17:26:14] <duritong> yeah like my mysql or fronted nginx for puppet :-/ | ||
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| [2008/04/21 19:36:43] <chillitom> anyone know a quick and easy way to generate password hashes for users without actually touching /etc/shadow? | ||
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| [2008/04/21 19:44:13] <tim|macbook> mkpasswd? | ||
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| [2008/04/21 20:07:17] <chillitom> tim|macbook, that's the ticket, cheers | ||
| [2008/04/21 20:07:31] <tim|macbook> :) | ||
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| [2008/04/21 21:57:25] <chillitom> quiet today.. | ||
| [2008/04/21 21:58:36] <chillitom> is there a nice way to have puppet provide users with an initial password but not to override it once they change it? or perhaps to have it generate passwords for all users and log them somewhere sensible? | ||
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| [2008/04/21 23:08:39] * tim|mb remembers someone working on Xen and LVM recipes... any progress on those? | ||
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| [2008/04/21 23:44:39] <sknight> mornin' lak | ||
| [2008/04/21 23:44:47] <lak> hi | ||
| [2008/04/21 23:45:41] <sknight> do you happen to know of any program (or nagios plugin, or whatever) that can monitor a particular node's ability to check in and/or their last checkin time? | ||
| [2008/04/21 23:46:52] <Volcane> been discussed recently on the list | ||
| [2008/04/21 23:47:02] <sknight> ahh, very cool | ||
| [2008/04/21 23:47:11] <sknight> what's the link to the archives? | ||
| [2008/04/21 23:48:06] <Volcane> check either the age of /var/lib/puppet/localconfig.yaml on each client or on the puppetmaster the age of /var/lib/puppet/yaml/node/<each node>.yaml | ||
| [2008/04/21 23:48:22] <sknight> schweet, thanks! | ||
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